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Our daycare has gone up $11 per day. We still get the '20 free hours' though which for us starts the same time so thankfully not noticing the increase.
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Originally posted by Lulu Lulu wrote:

It amuses me as to how politics always come into play with subjects like this and yet no one is willing to comment on the $400 million per week that the country has to borrow per week to support the bad judgements of the last government. And how much of it was kept under wraps. It seems to me that we are all like spoilt children who still want our pocket money even though our parents are going bankrupt.


Not matter what party is in they all make calls we don't like. Labour brought in the 20 free hrs for 3+yrs & National have said they want to abolish it. That 20hr free can make the difference of some people working & not being stuck on a benefit or a SAHM get back out there (if they want) can help with $ off childcare...the money goes back into funds as more taxes are paid & people can pay their bills on time & save with retirement plans & buy more things...& so on

In the end it is the children that miss out if parents can not afford to put their kids in.

I don't think the majority are acting spoilt, we got a tax cut which is being spent on the increased GST, I see no savings for a family of 5 & we are no better off, we are not in the higher tax bracket that got the most back...so I guess if that was done at a lower rate like everyone else then there would be more money for education, healthcare & the $400m weekly debt...just a thought.

I think more should be spent on pre school care & all children should be able to access it & that 20hrs free helps heaps of parents.

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With me working we get no WFF and no childcare subsidy which is fair enough, but if not for the 20 free(ish, as I pay the donation on top) hours then it really would not be worth my while working as it's hard enough paying full price for one child let alone two and I am on far above the average wage as is my DH, so to me it just makes no sense. They either want people at work earning money and paying tax or they don't, and if they want people like me who get no other government handouts to work then we need some sort of help to do that. It's pretty much impossible on even a higher wage to pay a mortgage, pay tax, rates, petrol, food etc and make ends meet as we don't get the help that lower income earners get (and we don't have a flash house or drive flash cars, quite the opposite actually). This government keeps trying to take take take from higher earners with young families and something is gonna snap cos it has to. At this rate I will be forced to not return to work until the youngest is at school and then I will be so far behind as the industry I'm in moves fast that it will probably be near impossible to get back in.
It's just silly, what's also silly is that no one complains about paying for other people's children to go to school but they get the hump about ECE, that attitude needs to change. In actual fact New Zealands attitude to children in general needs to change, but that's a whole different thread.

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Nicely said cuppatea!

Our non-profit, very financially strained creche has been forced to raise its fees. They tried everything to minimise the need to to do this, and have compromised by doing both a fee raise, and replacing those qualified teachers who leave with unqualifed trainees
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Originally posted by linda linda wrote:

I think the money should be spent more on primary and secondary schools rather than preschools.


So you would prefer that your vulnarable baby or toddler is looked after by unqualified teachers??
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Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

With me working we get no WFF and no childcare subsidy which is fair enough, but if not for the 20 free(ish, as I pay the donation on top) hours then it really would not be worth my while working as it's hard enough paying full price for one child let alone two and I am on far above the average wage as is my DH, so to me it just makes no sense. They either want people at work earning money and paying tax or they don't, and if they want people like me who get no other government handouts to work then we need some sort of help to do that. It's pretty much impossible on even a higher wage to pay a mortgage, pay tax, rates, petrol, food etc and make ends meet as we don't get the help that lower income earners get (and we don't have a flash house or drive flash cars, quite the opposite actually). This government keeps trying to take take take from higher earners with young families and something is gonna snap cos it has to. At this rate I will be forced to not return to work until the youngest is at school and then I will be so far behind as the industry I'm in moves fast that it will probably be near impossible to get back in.
It's just silly, what's also silly is that no one complains about paying for other people's children to go to school but they get the hump about ECE, that attitude needs to change. In actual fact New Zealands attitude to children in general needs to change, but that's a whole different thread.


totally agree with you, Its not worth me going to work at the moment, I might have $100 a week left after childcare for 2 and gas - but can possibly look at it once my babe is 3! We have only just begun to get the subsidys you mentioned cuppatea, since we had out second child, and as well as I try to budget on a salary thats paid monthly - sometimes we couldnt have done with out it.
however.... yes we are tending towards the higher income bracket - not because my husband fiddles the system, or claims back anything - he works for a salary - we dont own property or anything - he works really hard - and I have gotta say, its kinda annoying when people say oh but you guys make lots ra ra ra - what about us who dont - well Im sorry but how is that our fault - we pay sh*te loads of tax - to support you - what else do you expect us to do - I bet with all the extras you are entitled to, you arent that much worse off than us!
hmm kinda ranting but if they take ece away I will be at home for a long time yet!!
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it is actually just called 20 Hours ECE...

here is a link that explains a bit about it:

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this bit might explain the changes coming into effect this feb.

from February 2011 - teacher-led early childhood services can also ask parents for 'Optional Charges' within their 20 Hours ECE entitlement for the service having more than 80% registered teachers.

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Originally posted by Ella1 Ella1 wrote:

Originally posted by linda linda wrote:

I think the money should be spent more on primary and secondary schools rather than preschools.


So you would prefer that your vulnarable baby or toddler is looked after by unqualified teachers??


The 20 hours only relates to those over the age of 3 ... they are not really babies at that age .. they are more like 3 going on 30
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I hope they keep the 20 ECE - I definitely plan to use it, as it would certaintly make going back to work worthwhile.

Sometimes I wonder where we are going as a nation. It seems harder and harder for the average person to get by. I don't begrudge anyone who has worked hard getting well paid, but I do wonder, why the gap between rich and poor has got so much wider, and it is very tricky to own your own home on one income.
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I think childcare centres can run well with 80% fully qualified teachers. There are a great number of people wanting to work in this area but don't have the qualifications or who previously had but had to find other work with the changes. I do think the centres should be managed by a qualified teacher but that should be sufficient in a well run daycare/creche/kindy.

I would be fine leaving my child with someone who is unqualified as long as I thought they were right for my children. We currently have a student nanny who is very unqualified but working towards one.

I like that the 20 hours have opened up childcare options to more children but I just don't think that all the teachers need to be qualified



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Well said cuppatea.

We don't qualify for subsidies. I am putting two kids in after school care and before school care and it is costing us over $170 per week. My DH lives in akl due to that being the only place for him to get a job and I live in hamilton whilst going to uni. It is only for 1 year so this is a short term situation.   So I am a single mum in regards to raising the kids 5 days a week. My DH lives in another city earning 1/2 the money he used to.   Although we are on what is considered a high wage we have two lots of housing to cover with DH's up there and me down here as well as petrol etc. Today sky was returned to the shop and our internet has been reduced to the basic package. I have started all sorts of ways to reduce our costs that are extremely high due to having a good wage for so long and getting used to some perks. In many ways when we were starting out it was easier as I qualified for lots of subsidies and we didn't have the committments we have now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote xLUCKYx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2011 at 1:18pm
Well it sounds like it is not being cancelled, yet!

My daughters centre has only gone up $10 a week which I am happy with. My son goes to in home childcare and their prices haven't changed. We don't receive any subsidies and it is the 20 hours ECE that enable me to send my daughter to daycare.
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Went to kindy today & have not heard anything. Not been told of any increase yet. Lucky we only have a few more months to go. I guess the thing about kindy is the charges are small.
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our preschool has lost a load of money from the funding cuts, it is ridiculous! At the end of the day the parents are the ones that end up paying extra when most people are stretched to the limit as it is.  I haven't heard anything about the 20 free hours being cut, fingers crossed that doesn't happen!

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