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    Posted: 28 October 2010 at 9:09am
DS is seriously doing my head in. He is so disobedient and defiant. I tell him 100x not to do something and he does it anyway usually with a smirk on his face.
eg When I'm folding the washing he likes to come over and pull it off the table and strew it everywhere despite being told "don't touch". He knows he isn't allowed in the dishwasher but opens it and chucks the cutlery everywhere despite being told 100x a day not to do it.

I just feel like I'm constantly fighting an uphill battle with the housework as he just comes along behind me and undoes everything!! I try redirecting his attention to something else but he is not interested! It's like he is deliberately out to wind me up! and I'm finding my fuse it getting shorter and shorter and of course then DH cops it when he's home late because I'm so stressed and strung out by 6pm!

Should he be doing what he is told at 18mths old? None of the other toddlers in our circles are like him everywhere we go people comment "oh he's a very busy boy isn't he" "oh you must be exhausted by the end of the day" etc etc I blardy well am and I'm sick of it!!!!

I know that he understands when I say No so WHY doesn't he listen!! All the books say he's too young for time out but I find myself putting him in his room and shutting the door before I lose my rag completely!
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Its hard work having full on toddlers I used to nanny a couple and I was so glad to go home at the end of the day for a break. They were awesome kids but sooo tiring.

Mum gave me a couple of suggestions which helped me to be able to get washing done etc.

Before doing ANY planned task that takes you 'away' from them (ie housework etc) spend 10mins with them playing then say 'Mummy has to fold the washing you can stay and play here or you can help. For the washing you could give him a pile of tea towel to 'fold' with the dishwasher he could put away any plastics'

Do as much as you can while they are asleep!

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a toddler to do what they are told but you have to tell them what to do. Instead of saying don't touch! (kids hear the touch part of the direction rather than the don't) try redirection to what they can have. Reserve no for when you want a quick reaction like if they are about to do something dangerous rather than saying no to everyday things like playing with the remote. It's hard to do but makes such a difference.


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18 months is a really hard age. They have this emergent awareness but really, their brains are still very little and they're quite stoopid. And they seem to have this innate ability to know what buttons to press to really get you stressed out!

At that age, I'd be aiming for distraction as the first plan and have alternate activities for him like EsmesMum suggested. But, from my memory of Dan at the same age, that didn't really work! Could you do things like fold the washing while he's sitting at the table having morning tea - so you're there together but you each have something to do? That said, I know we went through a long phase of me not doing housework stuff while Dan was up cos he just got too manic and it wasn't worth it. sadly, I no longer have that excuse BUT, he is now great at helping out - he can unload the dishwasher independently, likes dusting etc so it does change!

Re the time out thing - meh to the books. We were using it at 18 months and it did work quite well. Remember at that age, it might not be about discipline but it's about giving you both some time out from the situation. Dianne Levy's books are really good. That said, I know some kids where TO doesn't work at all, so you do have to sometimes try and see. Maybe putting him in his room with a toy while you go and walk to the letterbox while you clear your head. Sometimes TO is more for the parents!

it feels trite to say "it's just a phase" cos I know that when you're in that phase it feels like an eternity. It WILL get better. Sometimes you just need to decide which battles will you pick and which ones will you leave and maybe leaving the housework till the evening so you aren't so during the day is a wise decision.
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Its pretty much normal behaviour sorry to say My DS was the same at 18 months, very very hard to stop him doing something he wasnt supposed to, and when we said No! half the time he didnt listen and like you said, he just looked at us and smiled and carried on! lol
I used to have people say the same things to me "oh he's a busy boy" etc and that I must be tired, and like you I soooo was and he drove me mental some days!
He's now nearly 2 1/2 and he usually listens to me now, but still has the odd time where he wont, but now he understands when hes in big trouble!

My daughter is 14 months and she is actually a bit better listening, we say No and 8/10 she will stop what shes doing, but that could all change in a few months lol

Its just a phase and normal toddler behaviour and you just have to try and ditract him etc I find distraction is one of the best things to use with toddlers! as they have a short attention span

ETA - Time out never worked back when DS was 18 months, he didnt understand. Now days though, if hes being a little sh*te, he goes into his room and I tell him firmly why he is in there, he doesnt like it but he knows hes been naughty, and when I go and get him again, I tell him again softly why he was in there and that he musnt do/say "X" and then he usually guves me a hug. I also get down to his level.

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He sounds a bit like Clodagh and yep it's a phase (I hope!) and yep it is VERY hard work. Can't offer any more suggestions sorry cos I am also often at my wits end, esp being hugely pg and trying to deal with it lol...but yeah I guess I alternate between diverting attention and if that doesn't work, getting cross and telling her off..depends what it is. It's a hard age to discipline. Sigh.

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i know when DS was about that age he wanted to be a part of everything i was doing, and i found by letting him 'help' me he would be much more co-operative. Sure - helping fold the washing, meant that his things ended up in a pile on the couch rather than folded neatly, but he's normally make a big pile, get bored with it and head off.
Dishwasher - id let him help me empty it - he was allowed to put the cutlery (not sharp knives!) away, and again they often ended up in the wrong tray, but meh i could do a quick straighten afterwards.

I dont know if that helps in any way - just possibly another way to go about it.
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Hmmm - i think its the age!! Its such hard yakka!

Dani is doing much the same things, we let her unload the cutlery (also once sharps removed) - she pulls one out and gives it to me, then pulls another one out .................... it takes an age!!! And then we shut the dishwasher and I go and do it when she is either busy or sleeping!! Want to keep any of the plates the earthquake didnt destroy!!!
With the washing ............. is that supposed to be folded before going in the drawers    Its usually in a big pile for a while - sometimes never makes it to the drawers! Our house has that 'lived in' feeling about it!!!
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MrsB I totally feel your pain! We're going through the exact same thing at the moment. In fact I just read your post out to DH and he just smiled all the way through it and said 'that sounds just like Benjamin'!! I would never admit this IRL but some days I actually enjoy going to work for the break.    

I was just thinking before how I feel like I'm constantly saying 'no' to him and I feel like I'm becoming that crabby mother that I always said I would never be! There are definitely a lot of challenges with this age that I haven't experienced before now but in saying that I'm constantly amazed by how much they're learning as well. I just have to keep telling myself that it's all just a learning phase for him and I keep using distraction to try to take him away from whatever he's doing that I don't want him to do.

There are a couple of good suggestions in here which I think I'll try using and I'm looking forward to reading anymore advice!!

Anyway just thought I'd send a big hug and to let you know that you are definitely not alone    
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Yep, I'm totally with you! I agree with what the others have said. I try to do most things when Campbell is asleep, but in saying that, not much actually gets done because I have 1 hour and a half of him sleeping during the day, during which I have a shower, get some washing out (hanging a load out with him under my feet takes forever otherwise!) and maybe sit down for a couple of minutes! And at night time, I really do not feel like doing anything!

However - I take the opportunity to try to get some things done, like washing some dirty dishes, when I notice he is busy playing by himself. And they definitely do not hear the "no" or "don't" at the start of the sentence! E.g. don't touch that means go ahead and touch that! You really do have to try and rephrase your sentences! And distraction, distraction, distraction - it is the key!
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Mine was actually quite lovely at 18 months, but now she is just like your boy , defiant, back chats, ignores me, moody - like a mini teenager

I have given her some leaway due to the new addition but you have to draw the line!!

Plunket have some resources to dealing with these kinds of issues - and you can go online to order a more indepth option for free, sorry I cant remember the name of it, but give them a call they should be able to point you to the website

My girl is getting better and the couple of days a week and daycare has made a good difference, I think she was getting quite bored of listening to mummy - I think its good for them to be told what to do by someone other than Mum or Dad

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Agree with Dianne Levy being good - she says that a child is old enough for time out when he'she is old enough to give you "The Look" - which you sound like you're getting!

DD is very similar, we're currently on a screaming phase (loud, ear-splitting screams just for the heck of it) knowing full well it's unacceptable. It's hard to be consistent with the response, feels like she's in Time Out for 1/2 the day (even though it's not that long!). Here's hoping your DS starts getting the picture soon...
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one thing my plunket nurse suggested was rather than time out to leave him on his own, go into another room and thell him when he is prepared to be good he can join you
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i agree with some of the others that 18 months is old enough for time out. I think it's important to teach your child that there are consequences for behaviour and the sooner the better.

I like what Nigel Latta says "uyou have to make it their problem'. At the moment it is all your problem, it doesn't bother your bub a hoot, in fact prob the opposite as he gets lots of attention doing it. The other thing he advises is to starve the bad and feed the good, so make a big fuss when he does as you ask, and when he doesn't remove yourself from him, totally ignore him and the behaviour. And to spend as much quality time as possible, so that he is getting lots of good attention. It's hard when you feel like you're battling all day - for both of you!

Distraction and avoiding situations as much as able is definitely your number one strategy at this age, so choose your battles and make time out for big time naughty things like hitting etc. I tend to avoid saying 'no' and 'don't touch' unless i mean it cos otherwise they just learn that what you say has no impact or consequences. That you aren't your word iykwim. At least then you'll stop feeling like you're nagging at them all day too - i hate those days.

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Big hugs for you.

Not sure if this will help, but you could also look at it as if he is just wanting to be like you and do the things you are doing because you are the person he loves and admires the most in the whole world.

And maybe he is more active than the other toddlers because he's just more inquisitive and bright and wanting to find out more about the world.

When I'm doing baking or something like that, there's no way DS can be distracted with a usual toy -- but if I give him a plastic bowl and rubber spatula to copy, he's happy for ages.

Maybe do as some others have suggested and include him in everything -- I know it might take so much longer -- but, hey, housework will always be there!
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