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    Posted: 26 July 2013 at 1:25pm
OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - Invercargill 30h July. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can.

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Hi

Can you please provide the names of some Whey dominant formula's - constipation is a ongoing issue.

Can you also please send a ideal eating, drinking, sleeping schedule for an 8.5 month old

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Hi Jacqueline
S26 gold newborn has 65% whey

S26 original 60% whey (which i think is the same as cow and gate)

If you can let me know what stage your baby is on then I could find out the appropriate one in NZ for you.
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Hi Dorothy,
Could you please suggest the best way to encourage good sleeping patterns with a sleep/feed schedule for a 6-12 week bracket. (not expecting then to sleep though but keen to find a schedule that will work that then drops out a middle of the night feed) - baby is formula fed (not sure if that makes any difference to you :) also in terms of volume, I am pretty much demand feeding but aiming for 3-4 hourly and currently average 120-130 ml what volumes & frequency would you be expecting at 6-7 weeks. Thank you ;)
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Hi Dorothy,
My almost 5mth old is waking twice for feeds but recently has been awake for a couple of hours during the night uncomfortable with wind (which he usually gets up easily). I don't think it is related to my diet. He is breast-fed only. He only poos every 4-5 days (7 last week). Would it be related to that and if so is there a way to help him 'go' more often? I've tried eating prunes and kiwifruit but it's a balance not to make me embarrassingly gassy!
Thanks for the great advice on my toddler, she has slept from 9-6ish two nights now (and stayed in bed "til the sun came up" on gro-clock) with door shut and just clock's light. I assume it was too light for her so when she woke during the night she got up.
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HI Jacqueline

S26 Gold Newborn is 65% Whey and S26 Newborn is 60 % whey. The gold has a higher percentage of Alphalactalbumin (2.3g/L) and a lowered amount of Beta protein making the whey protein composition close to breast milk composition. The gold product also has Omega 3 from plant sources and added Lutein for eye and brain development.

Nutricia Karicare and Heinz Nurture stage 1 gold products have 60% whey, whereas stage two products have 40%whey and 60% casein. Stage 1 products being higher in whey are easier to digest and there is nothing wrong with staying on this product through to 12 months.

I was unable to get the composition of the cow and gate to make a comparison for you but hope this helps.   
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Originally posted by skiltz skiltz wrote:

OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - Invercargill 30h July. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can.

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Hi Dorothy
How would one go about introducing the occasional formula to a 6 month old so Mum can go out without having to express and store? Or if I have expressed and stored what to do incase grandparents/babysitters run out of this before I get back? Which leads to how to wean Bubs off the breast when I have to go back to work when he is 9 months old? I am very guilty of breast feeding him to sleep. It currently doesn't appear to be a problem as he normally sleeps all night 7 -7 waking briefly once for a top up. I do sometimes hear him wake and self settle back to sleep and I have occasionally put him down awake and he happily sends himself to sleep but if he starts crying I cannot take it and he is straight on the breast until he passes out! This will be a problem when I stop breastfeeding; if not before... ie he wakes more regularly than once which he has done a few times when sick or change of routine. Plus after listening to your talk I am worried about eat and sleep association I don't want him taking packets of chips to bed when he is a toddler just so he can nod off ;)
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HI
The way to encourage good sleeping patterns with a baby is to teach them to self settle and to resettle when they wake so that over time they will go to bed fall asleep on their own and if they wake wether during their nap time or overtime that they know how to go back to sleep. The difference between adults and babies is that when adults wake overnight we know how to get back to sleep - babies need to be taught to do this.

ONce they have learnt to do this then you will find that some babies will have longer naps than others and some will sleep longer overnight as well.

Whenever you go to the baby overnight to feed before feeding, I always try and resettle.   I will not not feed a baby overnight however I do ensure that I am feeding a hungry baby and not a baby that just needed some reassurance to find their sleep.

Every baby is different and formulas are also different so my rule of thumb is if the baby is emptying the bottle I always put a little more in so that they have the opportunity of drinking it if they want.   You are feeding every 3 to 4 hourly so I am guessing your baby is up for 45 minutes to an hour and then sleeping for the remainder of the time frame between feeding.    When your baby wakes they do need to be offered food so as long as you are offering the bottle within 5 minutes of waking then you are doing the right thing. As your baby grows they can wait longer for food so around 6 months they can wait for up to 30 minutes depending on the baby.
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Hi Pleased you have had success with your toddler.

I would think your 5mth old is probably ready for some food.   I find that some breast fed babies around this age only poo every 10 days and once solids are introduced their poos become more frequent.

I would also cut back on the prunes and kiwifruit you are eating as clearly they are causing you issues and this could be the issue your little man during the night.
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HI Jane
As you are going back to work it is important that you teach or baby to self settle and resettle without the breast.    You can still do all this lovely nurturing but do it within boundaries.   Boobs are food, and arms are comfort.   My suggestion is that you breastfeed him before he goes to bed, then put him in his sleeping bag and then you have options. Either pop him in his cot and see what he does or just engulf him in your arms and let him settle in your arms. Yes, he will cry/grizzle etc but this is an important step for a baby to find their sleep. It is not about leaving him alone to do it on his own, or to leave him for hours but just stepping back and giving him the right to find his own sleep as an individual.   I have attached my 0 to 12 weeks settling notes so you can see how it works. Will also attach the over 12 weeks so you can follow through at your pace.

As you baby is older when you go back to work as long as he is on a balanced diet I wouldnt worry about making sure he can drink from a bottle, however I would be offering a sippy cup with formula with each meal so he will eventually learn to drink from the cup and take formula.    I tend to use the NUK first feeder and you control it not the baby.   

Currently if you are going out you can gauge how long you are going to be and if he is on a routine then you would automatically have a couple of hours where you don't need to feed so lets look at a routine to see how this works

Wakes, breakfast, boob, play boob, then nap
Nap will be a good 1 1/2 hours then wakes

Food, offer milk in sippy cup
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Boob, Nap

So in the middle of the day you have a good 3 hours to pop out without having the need to offer boob or bottle.   If you cant make it back for the boob before the afternoon nap, then offer warm milk in an evenflo bottle and put the baby in the same position as if breastfeeding. This can be done in arms, or on the sofa or bed with a pillow under their head to raise it to the breastfeeding position.Routine.docx
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Hi Ladies
Thank you for all your questions and hopefully the answers will help you. It was lovely to meet you all at the OHBaby Coffee Catchup.

Remember before you do anything STOP, THINK, and ACT – work out what you are doing, why you are doing, and what you are trying to accomplish and then act.

Remember YOU are the baby’s mum and so listen to your heart and instinct.   Yes, we all don’t do it by the book, or get it right the first time, but you need to make ‘mistakes’ to get it right for you.   It’s a time of learning a little person’s personality and figuring out what works for your home life.

If you have the time I would love to see you pop over to http://www.facebook.com/BabyWithin
and 'like' it. You can then keep up with information that I post from time to time or hear from other mothers who write on the wall.

Please remember as a parent or carer that you should understand and acknowledge that Dorothy is NOT a licensed medical doctor or other licensed medical provider and the information that I share with you has come from experience and working with numerous families and babies and toddlers
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