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    Posted: 20 November 2008 at 1:03pm
Hi there,

I am just wanting some advice on the Consumer Guarantee Act with regards to what my rights are.

I bought a pair of denim overalls from a kids clothing store ( not sure that I should name them?) about 8 weeks ago. The first time I put them on Harry everytime I picked him up or he basically moved the domes in the crotch popped open. Now you can imagine how annoying this must be. I tried them on a second time a week or so later thinking maybe I was just being silly ,but same thing. The problem is that there are only 4 domes and they are too flimsy for the heavy denim.

Today I took them back to the store as I wanted a refund or them to be fixed, preferably fixed but figured that as they are probably not NZ made this wouldn't be an option.

I was told by the manager that it is not a 'fault' but a design flaw!!! So they would not help me. So now I have a pair of $30ish overalls that will never be worn. I am really annoyed because as far as I am concerned they are not carrying out the job they are designed to do. If I bought a lawnmower or something that had a design flaw that meant it wouldn't cut grass or whatever surely they would replace/refund it??

Am I entitled to a refund or is the manager correct/ I am really annoyed about this but if I am in the wrong I will let it go.

Any advice very much appreciated, thanks.



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As far as what I know of the act, they arent fit for the purpose they were sold and you are due a refund.

I stood my ground when FTC tried to do that too me (eg they had a "fix" that would make my product ok), however it also changed the way it worked, so it was no longer fit for the purpose I bought it for.

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Thanks lilfatty that's what I think too. Want to get all the info I can so I can go back and demand a refund. Otherwise I will end up giving in as I HATE conflict!!



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I would think you may have to return them within a reasonble period also - 8 weeks probably wouldn't fit that.. :(

Have a look here
http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/consumerinfo/cga/index.html
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They do have to be fit for purpose... if they are not fit for purpose the time frame should not really have an effect.

I would demand a refund (take the information from the website if you have to) and then write to the head office if that doesn't work.

Unfortunately, if they refuse a refund then you don't really have any options. Your comeback is to go to the Disputes Tribunal, but who does that over $30?!? Costs $30 anyway.


Just as an aside - I bought four nighties from JK which shrunk significantly when I washed and dried them according to instructions. I bought them AGES ago, but Jackson was just big enough now for them. I didn't have a receipt but I wrote to JK just to express my disappointment. They are giving me a refund. So, sometimes you have to bypass the silly shop staff and go to the people who can actually help.
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definatelyu bypass the shop stafff...what do they know?  I think you should be covered by my understanding of the CGA but at the very least they should do it out of goodwill..who wants an unhappy customer.

 

If you get nowhere then come back on here an name the bastards!!!!!  and maybe give fair go a call

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Thanks ladies I will do that, will contact head office directly and do my reading on that site. I looked earlier but didn't have time to sort through all the info. Will do that tonight.

I hear you on the Disputes Tribunal after all it is only $30 so not worth pursuing, but even so, that's $30 I could have spent on something that would actually get worn!!

Thanks heaps.




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I would contact Head Office directly and ask to speak to one of the Sales Managers. I was on the Management Team in Retail for a few years and you only give the Branch Managers a little bit of responsibility. We always told them to escalate up if the customer didn't accept what they said. Often the suppliers were willing to refund or exchange a product even if company policy was no refunds.

They would be horrified if they knew we were all chatting about it on a forum and would be pretty quick to rectify the problem. Imagine the potential lost customers if they didn't. You can even tell them this if they won't refund you.
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Yeah I always ask for the department manager then the store manager and if all else fails the area manager.

Note - Area Managers usually ALWAYS rectify problems

Usually if you state that you are not happy and that one unhappy customer will tell everyone they can think of that they are unhappy the store will come around.
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I worked in retail for years and we were told that if you sold something as a table then it had to perform as a table. If you told them they could use it as a trampoline, it had to perform for that task or we would be in breach of the CGA.

8 weeks is probably pushing it as manufacturing faults should be visible before then. If it's not performing as it was intended, then they are obligated to do something about it. I do believe they have the option to repair or replace to original condition and I don't think they are obliged to give you a refund unless they can't fix the problem any other way. After that period of time, all they have to do is claim wear and tear which means you're probably out of luck i'm sorry to say chick.
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I agree with everyone.
Bypass the shop staff and go higher.
I worked in retail for many years (in a managerial role) and I couldn't always offer a good enough solution (due to job restrictions - not through lack of diligence).
I hated having unhappy customers.

And, aside from all that - why would this shop KNOWLINGLY stock a product that has "design flaws".

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And thats the thing with stuff for kiddies ... how many of us stocked up before having them ...

To then find out weeks (maybe months) later that they have flaws and most of the time you dont have receipts
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I just found this on their site,

'(Name of company) quality clothing promises to meet the demands of the most active children. Should any item of clothing not measure up to our high standards, simply return it and we will happily replace the item or refund your purchase price.'

So it seems that theyu should replace or refund me. Will get onto it tomorrow when I have time.

Lilfatty - that was the thing I tried them on when I first got them to check size which was fine, took off the tags threw away receipts etc only to find a week or so on that this was the problem.

Thanks for all the helpful comments, I always let things like this go because I hate having to defend myself etc but today I just thought stuff it, this is a crap product and I am not going to waste money on something that will never be worn. So you have all given me the confidence to stand up for myself!

Thanks so much



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Let us know how you get on! Seems pretty clear cut to me....
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I'd print out that part from their website as well :)
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Just wanted to fill you in on what ended up happening. I emailed their sales team to find out who I should contact re the return and they emailed back wanting the details and ta da they are happy to refund me my $$!

I have certainly learnt that I need to assert my rights on matters like this and I won't just let things like this go anymore! Thanks for all your help, it was much appreciated!



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Yay! Glad to hear it had a positive outcome, as so it should.

I hate being assertive face-to-face - but email sure makes it a lot easier!!!
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Thats awesome! I was wondering about this the other day ..
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