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    Posted: 24 February 2010 at 6:48pm

Hmmm hoping this isn't gonna come across as toooo judgemental cos I know it takes all sorts...BUT.....I had a conversation with another Mum today and was *really* suprised at how uncomfortable I felt with her revelations.

Our babies are about the same age, give or take a few weeks. We were chatting about what they were up to (as you do) and I commented that Clodagh had never been a great sleeper and was 'still' feeding twice a night. She literally nearly fell off her chair and replied 'really? My baby has been sleeping through the night for 12/13 hours since 4 months old!  I said 'Oh? really?? You're lucky!' (although at that stage I think I knew what might have been coming.....)

She carried on: 'yes I decided one night I wasn't going to get up to baby anymore. So I didn't. That first night he cried for an hour and forty five minutes and I never once went to see him.The second night he screamed for an hour. By the end of the week he was 'only' crying for ten minutes before giving up and now he sleeps through'.

Um ok. She wasn't bothered at all by any of this and I just felt desperately sorry for her wee bubba. 4 months old being left to cry/scream that long? I know I'm a bit of a sook but wow that took my breath away TBH. Do some Mums really do that? Not being funny, I'd just like to know!!


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thats how i got Cory to sleep through the night...although i have to admit that i didnt leave him for more than 10mins to cry.

And after a couple of nights he just didnt wake.

I only went in if his crying sounded like he was getting distressed and then he got a quick "its okay" and a cuddle and back down.

I think 1hr 45mins is way too long, but then im a sook and i cant handle my babies crying.


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Yeah I know some people are in the 'cry it out camp' (which I'm not) but it was the length of time and AGE of the baby concerned which worried me.  She didn't seem at all bothered and was also suprised I was 'still' BF.

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Yup. I haven't, cos I can't stand a crying baby in the middle of the night, but it is meant to be quite effective. I wouldn't do it at 4 months though - that seems too early, but I know some of the "baby gurus" recommend it about then, if not earlier.
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And ditto, I couldn't and wouldn't let them cry that long. I do it with Dan now sometimes if I know he's tired and needs to sleep but it never lasts more than 10 minutes and is usually about 2 (but feels like 20!)
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It would depend on the type of crying for me if its just the wimpery attention seeking cry then id just leave them but if its distressed i need something crying then i wouldnt be able to certainly not that long. Dunno if i would have done it at that age tho but that might all change when #2 arrives cos i have a feeling things will be quite different with what i will try and put up with this time round
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Yes, I leave Clodagh if it's whinging grizzling but this woman was saying SCREAMING.   Clody gets hysterical v quickly and I never ever leave her more than 10 minutes and that's at 9 months!  Perhaps more fool me but there's a difference aye between crying grizzling and full blown distress. Oh and I'm sure I'll be 'harder' when and if # 2 comes along but I'm buggered if I'll ever leave any baby that long on their own regardless of how tired I am

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1 hour and 40 mins is WAY to long to let a baby cry without going in at all IMO!

But, I AM in the controlled crying "camp", but I dont let her cry for longer than 5 mins at a time, I go in and shh her and stroke her head or hold her hand until she is calm again.
Ive been doing this since she was very little, and now she is a good little self settler.

Everyone has different views on the subject and parents differently.

ETA- I never leave her screaming, if she is screaming then something is wrong, like wind/hunger etc

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Wow thats a very long time ino. I have heard of an older child 18mths old being left to just cry but not a baby like that.

DD woke the other night and cried and cried and I know it was only about 3mins but her dad couldn't stand it and got up to her. She's a very strong willed little girl and even mum commented the next morning how she could hear her and could hear it wasn't distressed/upset/hurt etc. It was a I want this and your not letting me have it... She wanted to play at 4am. She learnt that I wasn't having any of it and 4am is not playtime.

1hr40min is excessive! Crying screaming my gosh!

Ok gotta go DD just smacked her head on her highchair. I shouldn't laugh should I?



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I think what concerned me is that this Mum literally LEFT her wee baby to scream until he stopped. I think that's pretty cruel. I am about to go into MY screaming baby- for the third time in less than half hour- to try help her settle. But no way could I leave her like this.

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I think Brooke was pretty much sleeping through by about 4-5 months reliably, but then after that she went through various stages of teething and waking.  I 'instinctively' knew when wee girl didn't need middle of the night feeding anymore but didn't rush the whole thing (didn't want to deny her if she was genuinely hungry). 

Kinda can tell the difference between a hungry cry and a teething/pain type cry, and also I didn't let her go into the out of control screaming stage, though would let her do the 'settling' cry.  I can't handle her being left to cry for more than 5-10 mins.

Just do what makes you and your baby comfortable.

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Cry it out breaks my heart tbh. I want my little boy to not cry in the night because he doesn't need to, not because he has been taught that there is no point. Controlled crying I can get my head around, but not so much with rigid times, more with the type of cry dictating when we'd go back in.

I recently had a good friend raise her eyebrows at me because not only do I get up to my 6 monther in the night, but I bring him into our bed and breastfeed. She stopped getting up to her baby after 'deciding' not to at 6 weeks. Which is great for her I guess...
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Yep - we did it with Jack but it was grizzling, not screaming.

For Ava, I've had to, from an early age. I was getting 2 hours sleep a day and DH was away so I had to wheel her to the other end of the house and let her scream for a couple of hours while I slept. I wouldn't normally let her cry for that long, but when she was screaming for 12-18 hours a day there wasn't much else I could do.
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I am not a fan of CIO but have done some CC to a degree but always depending on the type of crying and never longer than 5 minutes if that...1 minute always seems like 5 when your baby is crying.

One thing I think that is important to remember is that just because a baby sleeps through early (for us it was 8 weeks) does not mean that they have been left to cry, in fact on our case it was quite the opposite I was up every 1/2 hour checking on her to make sure she was okay.

The other thing is that for some, their only parenting influences are those that take the "tough love" approach, which even though we may not agree with it, it is what they have gone with, I am very mindful of never "tut tutting" others parenting ways, it is such a hard job to do and I think these days there are so many "professionals" out there telling us how we should do it, that the guilt so many mum's feel is unnecessary. Plus if I don't pass judgement on them it makes it so much easier to tell them to "be quiet" if they start doing it to me!
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I can't do CIO or CC crying at all. Came across an interesting post through an attachment parenting group

(Warning: Controversial!)

Just let her cry
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I think its disgusting. A whimper or sob maybe, but screaming for all that time. Bloody awful, and YES judgemental, but how on earth can you do that to your baby!!!!
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arohanui, I've read that blog post before, it is such a well-written piece! And certainly puts into perspective what it IS LIKE for a little baby.

fattartsrock, I completely agree, yes it's judgemental but it is disgusting to leave a baby to cry!

What I'm surprised the most with is that mothers who have told me that they have let their babies CIO at a young age (actually at any age) always back it up with - ''it was quite hard for me'' without any regard for their how hard it is on their baby.

Obviously I am not in the CIO camp, nor the CC camp - however that doesn't mean I haven't had to put DD into her cot, leaving her screaming for 5 mins while I compose myself. Like the advert currently playing on TV I have done this because I've been ready to explode I am human afterall. But I wouldn't use this as part of 'sleep training' - there are gentle methods to help/teach a baby to sleep through.

Oh and to top that - I heard of a mother who let her 3 day old baby CIO as part of her 4 hourly breastfeeding routine, because she was not going to create a dependent baby Even more disturbing is she is a medical professional
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I think that's cruel and horrible. I would never expect or force a baby of that age to sleep through the night. Many babies that age still wake because they're hungry! I'm a softy and can never leave my babies to cry. It just breaks my heart and i can't (and don't want to) do it.

I don't agree with CIO at all but can see why CC can be beneficial.

I'm lucky as Isabella sleeps 8-9hrs, then another 2-3. All i do is feed/rock her to sleep and put her to bed. I know things might not stay like that though. Her days sleeps aren't so great and i usually just let her sleep on me. But she has reflux.
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Originally posted by Mamma2N Mamma2N wrote:

Oh and to top that - I heard of a mother who let her 3 day old baby CIO as part of her 4 hourly breastfeeding routine, because she was not going to create a dependent baby Even more disturbing is she is a medical professional


Golly gosh! (For want of a better expression perhaps FFS would have been better). You would hope that a medical professional would have done her research. (Well, I hope that everybody regardless of profession does some research - but that's beside the point).


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I think it is simply cruel. I had maybe an average of 3-4 hours sleep per 24 hour period for the 1-2 months, and no matter how tired I was I would never do that!


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