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    Posted: 12 May 2008 at 12:37pm
Well we have recently decided that I'm gonna go back to work part time (so we can afford to eat!! lol), it's only gonna be Saturday morning and a few hours one afternoon a week. I'm going to express as much as I can, but with starting soon and not having anything stocked up in the freezer yet I just wanna make sure I have a backup in case there's not enough. DH is going to look at Harry when I'm at work.

So my question is... what is the best formula to use first?

Harry is fully breastfed and I intend to continue this as much as possible, just want formula there for backup. He is quite a spilly baby and does seem quite sensitive (ie getting a rash when I drink orange juice) if this makes a difference.

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It's trial and error to figure out what will be the best for Harry.. everyone has different opinions on different formulas.

With Daniel though...
Karicare: utter sh*t basically lol.. made him insanely windy, enough to scream blue murder for hours on end
Nurture: no wind issues but made him constipated
S26: what we currently use and have no issues with it. It's apparently the one most like breast milk.

Get a few sachets and try them and see if you get any bad reactions from them. It only took a few feeds of karicare to show the windy side effect. But sometimes they have to be on a formula for a week or more to show up things like constipation.
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Eden was a very very hungry baby and so is on SMA formula now (fully) it is a heavier formula as apposed to S26 (which Izobel was on fully) and it did cause her to get a little constipated in the beginning, it keeps her fuller for longer than S26 and she isnt constipated anymore, for the constipation i used Coloxyl oral drops.

Now if for any reason she needs to go on another formula (i.e. supply to gisborne is cr*p) she shouldnt get constipated as it isnt as heavy a formula as SMA.

I agree with Kebakat, it is totally trial and error, both my girls have been on different formulas and have had no trouble
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I totally agree with the sachet suggestion.. it's a whole trial and error thing really and do stick to what he likes otherwise it will screw your whole system up.

I went through a whole trial and error period with K and found that most of them except S26 Gold gave her wind, so we use that
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Thanks guys - I didn't realise you could buy sachets, so will do that next shop! I think S26 will be our first trial if we need it. Ta
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I have found S-26 Gold great too. I agree about the Karicare- absolute crap (for us anyway). If he is just having the odd formula bottle then he wont get constipated on any of them (I think!).
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Karicare works really well for us as Josh was spilly but now he is on the Thickened Formula which is brilliant but since i didnt have many problems i never changed brands so cant comment on the others.

Josh did get constipated in the beginning but i was told to expect that with all formulas as the babies are getting use to them in the first few weeks. He also gets windy sometimes but gripe water has been really good for that.

Just which ever one you choose stick with it if the symptoms can be controlled for a couple of weeks at least apparently chopping and changing can be really bad.
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we started with s26 but tom was really spilly. Changed to Nuture and much better (but it could havebeen a phase)
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Hmmm, not to thread jack but just lately Rohann (who is onto her second tin of the Karicare AR) has been getting really windy (out her bot bot) and seems quite uncomfortable at times with it. And sometimes you can hear (and even feel) her tummy gurgling and she starts yelling. At first I thought it was the ranitidine she is on for her reflux, but maybe it's the formula???

wrxchick which AR formula do you use?
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Tiff - that sounds like what Daniel had except he had it in the extreme form. Daniel had reflux but we didn't bother with AR formula, we just used the normal stuff. Maybe you need to switch and try her on something else.
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Stacey - we didn't bother with the AR stuff either until she started on the ranitidine and started spilling (her reflux was the silent type). Did you find Daniel's poo started doing 'funny' (ie different to normal) stuff around this time too? And when he started getting wind it was a little while into the formula?
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Daniel had silent reflux too, he didn't get spilly either from ranitidine. We were able to wean him off it at around 3-4 months too. His poo has always been a bit different since on formula but we give him prune juice in water every day. His wind appeared almost immediately.. 3rd bottle of karicare. About 2 days after we switched all the wind was out of his system and he stopped being in pain
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We use S26 (not gold), first one we tried (can't get satchets in most supermarkets though) and is great. No probs and yeah, supposed to be most like breastmilk. And its one of the cheapest too at about $14 a tin.
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We use the Karicare AR cos the plunket nurse told me to use a hungry baby formula with Josh and Karicare dont do one and thinkened sounded like a similar idea but it really helped with his spilling he hardly ever does now.

He is really windy out his bum but he always has been a farter i never really thought about it hurting him tho i spose sometimes he does cry and fart hmm dunno. Yeah i can hear the wind slosh around in his tummy before i burp him hehehe. It doesnt really seem to bother him most the time but every now and then we give him gripe water if he gets upset. I prolly should try another formula but my midwife really drummed in not to switch unless side effects cant be managed
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We tried Karicare but it was horrible for Chloe, she got so windy and upset with it, and it didn't help her spilling at all. Not sure if it's because it goes so frothy when you shake it? Anyway we are on the Heinz Nuture one now, and she doesn't seem to have any problems with it. She's still quite spilly but less so, she always has been quite spilly, and haven't been able to find AR tins of formula around around. We haven't had a problem with constipation or anything.

You could do half formula and half expressed milk if you find that you just can't express as much as he would normally drink in that time.
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sorry to threadjack but we have the same as Tiff sometimes(bout once a day or once every few days )I can hear him gurgling as he drinks then splutters a bit then is ok..its offputting seems to be uncomfy then goes away for him.. is it just drinking too fast or drinking out of his new 3+ teats cant change formula as he is on Neocate.
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That's a good idea Janey, about the half half. I expressed this morning after the first morning feed and got all of 40mls Hopefully with continued expressing my supply will increase so I can express more.

I don't know why but I feel so bad about possibly going onto a couple of bottles of formula a week. Probably because it's so drummed into us that breast is best

KA, yeah it could be the new 3+ teats. If it was me I'd probably switch back to the old teats for a few days to see if it makes a difference (although if he was getting frustrated at the speed the milk was coming out, I'd change back to 3+ pretty quick). Although if it was only once every few days and he was only uncomfy for a little bit and then was ok, I'd put it down to just one of those things - being a little guts and very hungrily gulping it down too fast!
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KA, Lauren is only on one bottle of formula per day but she is still on the number 2 teats. I think most of us in the Oct thread are still using number 2 teats as they are fast enough.

Regarding formula, I am still b/f apart from one bottle per day of formula. I have chosen to use Goats Milk formula, which is expensive but I was wanting to use one that would reduce the chance of excema flare ups and it seems to be o.k.

I actually find giving Lauren one bottle per day gives me a huge break from b/f. I rotate around at what time I give her the formula feed, generally its the late afternoon feed as that is when my milk is low and my let down takes for ever. Then I have a good supply again for her last evening feed around 6 or 7pm.

Sorry rambled on a bit there, but just giving you an idea what is working for us! I had the major guilts at first with offering formula occassionally, but have now realised its helped me stay sane somedays when I am really tired!
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peachy there are only the 0-3 3-6 and 6 plus in the Tommee Tippee I use..so you use the first one....i mixed up the new teats with old and it doesnt happen with the old teats but it takes forever to feed him and he gets sick of it,..cant win:(
what made you try Goat's milk...the excema thing? as long as the excema not caused by milk allergies?:)
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KA you are on what Peachy is calling the number 2 teats (if you look on the teat it self it has a number 2 on it this is for 3+ months).
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