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    Posted: 05 March 2008 at 1:05pm
Totally random question...but are the rates of these getting higher? It feels like every second birth I hear about is an emergency c-section...

Freaks me out as I really don't want a c-section but would of course do it if it was needed to ensure the safety of the baby but why are the rates going up??

I did hear some theory that they are increasing because more women opt for epidurals which can reduce their ability to push.

BTW this is not meant to be a debate...just a question
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One thing I have noticed is that a lot of FIRST births tend to be emergency c-sects, it seems like if you have one VB then the chances of another are pretty high but a lot of people are ending up with emergency sections with their first bub which alters their options next time round.
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Yep I think there is way more emergency c-sections.. and I personally think it's the whole cascade effect thing - you have an epidural, you can't feel to push properly so get forceps, they don't work so you get a ceaser.

I read a really interesting article on stats here . It was one of the reasons I chose to deliver at Birthcare.
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Totally agree with you in regards to hearing more and more of Emergency C-secs taking place everyday ...but also assisted births like Ventouse & Forceps deliveries are becoming more common (I had ventouse)...babies birth weight seems to be increasing as well (more common to hear of 9lb + babies whereas back when I was born the norm was 6-7lbs ...sometimes 8lb if your lucky).

And then you can go into the research behind birth weight becoming higher due to processed foods (so i've read).

I think birth weight could be contributing towards the increase in emergency c-secs and assisted births

ETA: I had a ventouse due to Lucas being stuck in my pelvis (im only 5 '2 and 56kg & he was 9lb ...so big baby considering my frame). Pushed for 2 hours to no avail and then he went into distress & heart rate dramatically dropped and all turned into emergency mode. My labour was very drawn out, over a matter of 2 days. Elective C-sec had been on the cards for a while due to baby's size.(very glad I didn't have one though)

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Interesting point MumtoLucas!

I planned to cut out as much processed stuff as I could with this pregnancy but...what are the very things I fancy eating!?!?!?! Still trying though.

Definately staying clear of artificial sweetners etc. They are probably fine but ... after having an unsettled kid I am paranoid!
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Totally agree and would love to see a proper study done on it. Another theory could be that OB's are so keen on letting you go 'naturally' you wind up going way overdue and having an enormous baby...?

Well, thats what happened to me...12 days overdue, induced, no pain relief used until 8cm dilated, baby was posterior/brow presentation, got stuck and on the large side (9lbs).

I am going to a specialist next time to see if I can avoid another caesar as I'd love to have a natural birth.


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Hehe opps i added a bit to my post above to explain the need for ventouse!

I was naughty during my pregnancy and ate as if I was carrying triplets, and wasn't necessarily good/healthy foods all the time! A lot of it was also comfort eating ...I think that was the reason Lucas was a big boy because everyone in my family has had small bubs, I was just on 6lbs myself.
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I hate pretty well during my pregnancy (as in good foods and bad) and went 8 days over due before being induced due to concerns about the fluid and Elle was 6pounds2. I wonder what she would've been had she been on time!
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I think they put on an ounce per day?

I had my final growth scan (to finalise birth plan) at 38-39weeks and they worked it out like that and told me lucas would be 8lb 15oz on my due date, I went into labour 21st March (when he was due) and gave birth 23rd and he was 9lb so i guess that was pretty darn close/accurate for a sonographer.

Had the fear of god put into me throughout pregnancy as all my scans prior to that one were showing bub up as bigger than 95th centile and that he was going to be over 10lbs. (As you can imagine I was crapping myself at the thought of having to push something that big out LOL)
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I mean they supposedly put on an ounce per day once they reach the last 1-2 weeks and go overdue ...just laying down fat as all their organs are fully developed and 37weeks onwards they deem them as full term? I think...
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WOW! Lucas was 56cms long! Elle was 47 :)
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Yeah he looked bigger than he weighed too, he had rolls on his legs and everything. I think he has my short gene kicking in though ...shorts seem to be like pants on him nowadays! LOL

..we haven't had plunket do his height since 8months so no idea what he's like on growth chart but hes over 12kg already ARGH! (and he barely eats much as he's very fussy...go figure)

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Another aspect of babies/birth I'm interested in is if birth weight has any bearing on their weight as children/adults...does big baby (at birth) mean big kid?
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You are right Fiona, I have been hearing more ECS than VB's over the past few months.

I'm sure there are valid reasons for them to happen but it is getting more and more common.

I'm am so sh*t scared about needing a c section; I think it's more the thought of the epi that is doing it to me than the actual section.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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for me the epi had nothing to do with it...he had his face with chin up and couldnt make it down birth canal (got to 9cm)and got distressed thats why i had one...and even though i can go VBAC next time the idea of it happening again freaks me out so i will probably go elective c section.
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I am with Kawww, my epi had nothing to do with my c section, and I too am petrified of the same thing happening again and if there is a chance I will be having an elective.
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Until I gave birth myself (and met mothers from antenatal classes) I didn't have any mummy friends that had VB.

Of the 5 that spring to mind 1 had an elective (she'd fractured her pelvis while pregnant so couldn't have VB), 2 were induced and then had to have emergency C's because the babies were stuck and there was no way they would have come out naturally (one's head was bigger than his mums pelvis and the other had his nose caught on his mums pelvic bone) and 2 went into labour naturally but it didn't progress past 8cms so they had c-sections.

No idea if there's a link but I chose not to have drugs during labour (although during transition I rethought this and had gas but it didn't work). My personal opinion is that having drugs during labour makes labour longer and increases the need for intervention but this is a completely unsupported opinion.

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I had a VB with all 3 kids.

Conor was a Vontouse - no pain relief
Nyah was natural - no pain relief
Cooper, I had an epidural and it didn't work, I didn't want a csection at all, and managed to have him normally too.

Maybe it depends on so many things as to why the numbers have increased.

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Maybe its the induction more than drugs during labour, because as mentioned I had nothing until I was 8cm, and then had an epi, and my c-sect was nothing to do with the epi, it was her position in the birth canal and me having a small pelvis. My OB told me I wouldn't be able to naturally deliver a posterior baby...


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I believe part of the problem now is they type of work we do which results in more posterior babies which often need intervention (and pain relief as apparenlty are more painful labour, but can't compare), and also we are becoming less and less designed for child birth, as walking upright apparently helps to narrow pelvis meaning a smaller birth canel
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