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MummyFreckle
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Topic: Job vs Career Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:06am |
I was talking to a friend last night, who last year finished her double degree in German and French. She has been on the dole since, as she hasnt been able to find a job that she thinks is "suitable". She isnt stupid and could do many things, but has decided she wants a job that allows her to use her degree.....
Anyway - I found myself getting really cross. I appreciate that she put a lot of hard work into getting her degree and thats awesome, but surely she must have realised that there wasnt going to be much call for someone with those qualifications in Auckland. (she doesnt want to teach).
So I guess I am interested in your views - should the tax payers / government be supporting people like this - or should they be "forced" to get a job even if it isnt in their chosen field?
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:13am |
People with any qualifications to work that are on the dole should be forced into a career no matter what. There are so many people sitting on the dole that don't have any qualifications and it's sad that WINZ don't try to put them through some kind of course to get their 'know-how' up there to get them out into the work force IYKWIM?
I mean there are heaps of jobs out there, but your either not qualified or over qualified for the position so it can't hurt to try.. or at least look to up skill so you can get into said positions.. Once in a position you could look else where if it's not suitable but at least be in paid employment while looking!
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:15am |
She's capable of working therefore she should work. No offence to your friend but people like that annoy the **** out of me there's no reason she should be using the welfare system when she can work but just hasn't found the right job. She could easily work and continue to search for that "right" job.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:19am |
kebakat wrote:
She's capable of working therefore she should work. No offence to your friend but people like that annoy the **** out of me there's no reason she should be using the welfare system when she can work but just hasn't found the right job. She could easily work and continue to search for that "right" job. |
Totally agree
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:19am |
I think that is a bit arrogant.
What's wrong with just working in a job and keeping your eyes open for the one you want at the same time?
There are plenty of jobs around and personally, I'd much rather be working somewhere than sitting around in the dole, its so depressing!
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:21am |
Agree with the others, she shoud be working and looking around for the perfect job. Anyway, why would you rather be getting the pittance that they give you on the dole?
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MummyFreckle
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:22am |
I completely agree with you...thats why I got so cross. I know that there are lots of jobs out there that she would be perfectly capable of (and even do well at)....so its drives me mad that she is sitting around waiting for the perfect job!
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:30am |
Ummm....seriously - what is the "right" job when you have a double degree in two languages, if you don't want to teach??
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:30am |
Yep I agree. She can have a job and still look for her "job" with her degree.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:31am |
I definitely think she should take a job that she isn't necessarily qualified for & look for the 'right" job while she's working. I have always thought it is better to be doing something that nothing at all. It will look way better on her CV that's for sure.
I came across someone recently who knew someone who was working as a French translator but I can't imagine those types of jobs come up everyday.
These days, I think some uni degrees are a lot about demonstrating that you are able/willing to learn etc. When I left school I completed a science degree which was interesting & all but it didn't set up me for a specific career such as other quals do, such as teaching, nursing etc.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:35am |
I agree with you too. The thing is that yes she has a double degree but (I'm assuming) she has little or no work experience which is actually unattractive to any potential employer.
She's obviously academically bright but as far as the real world goes she's not being very smart. The fact that she is happy sitting on the dole is actually something that would put me off as an employer, they don't just look for qualifications, experience and work ethic are very important too and she's showing very little of these last two.
If I were her I'd first start looking for jobs in companies that have roles that interest me that I wouldn't get now but could move into in future (gosh even if she works as a reception for awhile it's a foot in the door) and if there were no jobs in these companies then I'd get a job somewhere else and keep my eye out for something that really interests me in the meantime. I've seen many graduates come through my workplace doing exactly that... getting experience and filling in their cv, biding time until the right role comes up.
Then again she may just be enjoying a break after all the hardwork she put into her degrees and using "finding the right job" as an excuse to have a wee holiday.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 10:19am |
MrsMojo wrote:
]She's obviously academically bright but as far as the real world goes she's not being very smart. The fact that she is happy sitting on the dole is actually something that would put me off as an employer, they don't just look for qualifications, experience and work ethic are very important too and she's showing very little of these last two |
That's pretty much what I was going to say. 5 years ago I left my current job at the time and took 4 months off to go overseas on holiday, and even now one of the first things I get asked is 'what were you doing in that time?' when I go for an interview.
I can see why you're ticked off with her, I would be too. Surely she would've known before taking up her studies that it would be hard to find a job in that field.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 10:39am |
Mojo - usually I'd agree re. the holiday part....but she finished her study last year. So that's almost a year ago...that's a little it more than a wee holiday, I think??
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 10:47am |
minik8e wrote:
Mojo - usually I'd agree re. the holiday part....but she finished her study last year. So that's almost a year ago...that's a little it more than a wee holiday, I think?? |
I agree with you completely. I was just trying to find a flipside. If I was being blunt I'd say that IMO she needs to get her lazy a s s off the couch and get herself a job, any job, and stop being so arrogant. But I'm not being blunt so I won't say that 
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 10:59am |
Um, I have a degree in English, a post grad in second language teaching and a diploma in secondary teaching - when i graduated I couldn't find a job in my "career", so took a job at Pak N Save while I waited. You get a job whereever and then keep looking. your friend is a bit precious! sorry!
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 11:50am |
MrsMojo wrote:
The thing is that yes she has a double degree but (I'm assuming) she has little or no work experience which is actually unattractive to any potential employer.
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Totally agree too. Sounds like she's very naiive - to think she could just sit around and wait for her dream job to fall into her lap! Tertiary quals are a good \starting point for your CV, but as soon as you get into the workforce it's a bit of a wake up call when you realise how much work experience actually counts for.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 12:21pm |
Thanks ladies - its pretty much all the same stuff that I tried to explain to her.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 2:47pm |
I finished my degree last year and no one would employ me - in some cases it seemed to be that not working for two years because I was studying full time extramurally as well as raising a child weren't valid enough reasons for not being in the work force, and in other cases they considered me 'overqualified' for the jobs I was applying for.
She should definitely be looking for something though. Working anywhere is better than not working at all, and you have a much better chance of getting a better job if you have one, regardless of what it is!
I would have loved to have gotten a job even though none of the ones I was applying for were based around my degree, I just wanted to be back in the workforce, lol but then I got pregnant lol.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 3:26pm |
I don't know about the need to force people into the workforce... being on the dole isn't exactly an easy ride either! You get feck all money and are subjected to the public stigma against those who use the welfare system.
Usually the people that have taken this long to get a job are suffering from low self esteem and lack of motivation. I don't know if your friend exactly is... and maybe you have already... but encourage her to go out and apply for things and fire off CVs left/right and centre - and I mean jobs that ARE relevant to her degree. Is she stuck in Auckland? I see translator etc type jobs around the place all the time! What about something that is with an organisation where she could move on up? That's what I'm doing.
I know Tobin wants to work in an area that is more relevant to his interests (he is the sort that has a sh*te job... he refused to go on the dole) but every time I suggest a job that he should go for, he makes an excuse (due to low self esteem). THAT drives me mental. I would rather he was on the dole so there was more of an incentive to get out IYGWIM?
Right. Ramble over.
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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 4:15pm |
Your friend needs to get over herself and find a job, there isn't any excuse for qualified people to be unemployed.
Has she approached companies she'd like to work for about a possible internship? Or looked at options outside of Akl.
There are many an over qualified PA out there working until the right position comes up, better then the pittance the dole must pay.
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