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    Posted: 19 May 2009 at 10:47am
Im just wondering what happens at the end of the day in other schools for new entrants. At my neices school the new entrants cant go until the parents are there, in the room to pick them up and I know this is the same for a friends school but at our school the kids just come bowling out and if they cant see anyone there to pick them up they are suppose to go back into the classroom and tell the teacher or go to the office but from what I can see the teachers dont actually check the kids have been picked up so there is the chance they can go wondering I guess. I know that come 3pm the school has no responsibilty for the kids anymore but sometimes things happen, flat tyres, stuck in traffic etc.. so you can be late to pick them up and i just hate the thought that no one is actually keeping an eye on them.
Am I just being a paranoid over protective mum or is this a bit slack? what happens at your school?
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I don't have any recent experience, but I always remember I wasn't allowed to leave the classroom until my older sister came to collect me.
   I have three younger cousins - the youngest a new entrant 10 years ago. I'd pick her up from school a few days a week and she wasn't allowed to leave the classroom until I came to get her either.

To me, it's a no-brainer that the little ones be looked after until they're collected.
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IMO this is a heap of crap we wailked home and today it is no more dangerous than a generation ago. Admittedily we had no busy roads to cross but come on.
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We walked home, but only if we were collected by someone. And only for the first wee while.
I think once the kids are settled in at school, and have someone (another kid, parent, older sibling etc) to accompany them home, then it's fine.

I certainly wouldn't want my 5 year old walking home by herself. I'd feel much happier if she was in a group/with a friend.

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When Janaya was in NE the teacher would stand with all the kids until they had been picked up. I always remember the teacher not being too impressed when I turned up 15 mins late.

A year on, she now goes to the "stage" as its called. If your parent isnt there on pick up they are to walk there and wait, there is a teacher watching over all the kids until the parents pick them up. If by 3.15pm (school finishes at 2.50pm) noone has picked them up, the teacher takes them to the office and parents/guardians are called.
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what a lot of bull they do these days. I really hate whats happening to kids these day with this. we walked to kindy on our own admittedily it was only up the raod and often my cousin picked me up on the way he lived in around the corner and up the street from me.
I would be absoltely livid about what the schools do these days. They have far better things to do then that. So at what age are they now saying its OK to walk home my yourself. I don't think this happens at any school down here but i could be wrong hmm i must ask my sil when i next see her.
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I dont have a 5 year old yet lol but i do remember when i was at school. I went to a rural school and you couldnt really walk home on the main road so we got picked up. A teacher always stood out the front with us. There were only 43 pupils tho so it wasnt an issue with kids getting lost or walking off on there own.

Because of where we live, i would need to pick our kids up, but even if we didnt i would still want to walk with them to and from school until they were about 7. I think 5 is too young to be walking home by themselves unaccompanied by anyone. An older sibling or cousin or something would be fine but alone.. i dont think so.

No offence to anyone but when you were at school, it was a while ago and things have changed, people are nastier, kids go missing and there are so many more built up areas now. unitl my child is aware fully of what is going on around them with traffic and stuff they wont be walking home by them selves.

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Each school will have their own policy. At the school I teach at, children go to different lines, based on how they go home- eg. bus (we have 3) and junior/senior walkers lines. We take a roll and then make sure they go to the right place.
My job is to cross the children across a road, if parents don;t turn up then basically I have to wait there, regarless of how long they take. Teachers time is precious, so late parents are frustraiting.
One family live about 150meters from the school and she is of ten there 20-25 minutes late.

5 yearolds often have a mind of their own and so easy to wonder off (even during class time they often wonder). So it really is to protect the school from accidents as really it is the schools responsibility until children have left the school grounds safely.

Unfortionately it is a big scary world out there these days!

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Originally posted by sweetpea sweetpea wrote:

what a lot of bull they do these days. I really hate whats happening to kids these day with this. we walked to kindy on our own admittedily it was only up the raod and often my cousin picked me up on the way he lived in around the corner and up the street from me.
I would be absoltely livid about what the schools do these days. They have far better things to do then that. So at what age are they now saying its OK to walk home my yourself. I don't think this happens at any school down here but i could be wrong hmm i must ask my sil when i next see her.


Do you have kids yet? If not I wonder how you will feel when you do. There is no way I would let my children walk home from school at 5yrs old, the generation has changed from when we were little. I know I walked to and from school and we lived in a dodgy part of town but you just cant do that these days unless maybe you lived in a small town or are really close to the school. Im not even thinking about them walking home but more being left to wait with no one watching them. And what more important things do teacher have to do than take care and teach the kids? That is what they are there for after all.

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I don't remember what I did as a new entrant but i do remember that when I was standard four my little brother was made to come to my class until I had finished and we walked home together. I guess my older brother may have walked me home as he was two years older then me.

Dps lil sister had to wait at her class until we came to pick her up. The teacher would ask who we were if she didn't know us and ask his sister as well



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Originally posted by my2angels my2angels wrote:

Originally posted by sweetpea sweetpea wrote:

what a lot of bull they do these days. I really hate whats happening to kids these day with this. we walked to kindy on our own admittedily it was only up the raod and often my cousin picked me up on the way he lived in around the corner and up the street from me.
I would be absoltely livid about what the schools do these days. They have far better things to do then that. So at what age are they now saying its OK to walk home my yourself. I don't think this happens at any school down here but i could be wrong hmm i must ask my sil when i next see her.


Do you have kids yet? If not I wonder how you will feel when you do. There is no way I would let my children walk home from school at 5yrs old, the generation has changed from when we were little. I know I walked to and from school and we lived in a dodgy part of town but you just cant do that these days unless maybe you lived in a small town or are really close to the school. Im not even thinking about them walking home but more being left to wait with no one watching them. And what more important things do teacher have to do than take care and teach the kids? That is what they are there for after all.


I agree my2angels. I would NOT let my 5yr old walk home!! we only live a 5-10 min walk away but still...

I wasnt allowed to walk home from school by myself until my older sister had left primary ( i think i was 10).

My nephew is very rarely allowed to walk home and he litterally lives across the road from school and the zebra crossing which is manned by a teacher/principal almost goes up his driveway!!.

Im actually not too sure how it works with the NE in Bays school but from what i see all the kids tend to be picked up by an adult or older sibling every arvo.
There has been a few times where my appointment has run late (i was 5 mins late twice) and i have been late to pick bay up but my sister and her SIL have 6yr olds there so they tend to make sure someone is there with Bay before they leave and i do the same with their kids. (obviously sometimes things happen as someone else mentioned and being late is out of your control).
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My older sister used to collect me from outside my class when I was 5/6 and we'd walk home across the golfcourse (it was a short walk through a small town). I remember one day her class got kept in and I waited and waited but she didn't come so I walked home by myself. Just as I reached home my mum came out the driveway in a panic having loaded the babies into the car because she'd been phoned by the school to say my older sister couldn't find me. She took me down to school to collect my older sister and there was a big hoohaa from all the teachers and a whole lot of other parents were looking for me too. Whoops! I was fine walking home, but obviously even then risks were there. Our school was on a riverbank for example, so its not just people that are dangerous.

So my point is, 5 is awfully young to be walking home from school by yourself, and it was 20-something years ago too.

My kids will probably take a bus because we live rural. When I was older we moved schools and almost everyone caught buses home. The teachers would let us have some sports gear and supervise our play. Each bus did 2-3 runs, so the last bus didn't leave for nearly an hour after school. Anyone who was waiting to be picked up would just play with us till their parents showed. The parents knew they had to be their by the time the last bus left. It was the same in the morning - the first bus arrived nearly an hour before school started and kids couldn't be dropped off before the first bus arrived.

So yes, the teachers should be keeping track on who is leaving the school, but not necessarily who is leaving the classroom. There'd often be a teacher policing the front gate and you couldn't leave unless your parents where there or your bus was waiting. I recall trying to sneak through to retrieve a ball or raid the next door peach tree a few times and getting told off.

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Originally posted by BaileyandAstin BaileyandAstin wrote:

Originally posted by my2angels my2angels wrote:

Originally posted by sweetpea sweetpea wrote:

what a lot of bull they do these days. I really hate whats happening to kids these day with this. we walked to kindy on our own admittedily it was only up the raod and often my cousin picked me up on the way he lived in around the corner and up the street from me.
I would be absoltely livid about what the schools do these days. They have far better things to do then that. So at what age are they now saying its OK to walk home my yourself. I don't think this happens at any school down here but i could be wrong hmm i must ask my sil when i next see her.


Do you have kids yet? If not I wonder how you will feel when you do. There is no way I would let my children walk home from school at 5yrs old, the generation has changed from when we were little. I know I walked to and from school and we lived in a dodgy part of town but you just cant do that these days unless maybe you lived in a small town or are really close to the school. Im not even thinking about them walking home but more being left to wait with no one watching them. And what more important things do teacher have to do than take care and teach the kids? That is what they are there for after all.


I agree my2angels. I would NOT let my 5yr old walk home!! we only live a 5-10 min walk away but still...

I wasnt allowed to walk home from school by myself until my older sister had left primary ( i think i was 10).

My nephew is very rarely allowed to walk home and he litterally lives across the road from school and the zebra crossing which is manned by a teacher/principal almost goes up his driveway!!.

Im actually not too sure how it works with the NE in Bays school but from what i see all the kids tend to be picked up by an adult or older sibling every arvo.
There has been a few times where my appointment has run late (i was 5 mins late twice) and i have been late to pick bay up but my sister and her SIL have 6yr olds there so they tend to make sure someone is there with Bay before they leave and i do the same with their kids. (obviously sometimes things happen as someone else mentioned and being late is out of your control).


I totally agree with you Amber and my2angels. A child at the age of 5 should not be walking home by themselves.   Those comments really angered me especially coming from a person who has no children.   You hate what is happening to kids these days? You mean you hate that parents give a sh*t about where there children are and what they are doing and making sure they are kept safe. Leaving a child to walk home by themselves at aged 5 is irresponsible and careless and imagine how awful you would feel if your child was hit by a car or wandered off and got lost or was taken by someone? Until you have children of your own, don't judge others for wanting to protect their own flesh and blood.    I don't usually comment when things annoy me on here, but that annoyed me!
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So in that case when will you let your kids take the risks that are needed to be taken as part of growing up. i don't mean this to become a slinging match i just think kids a re over protected more than they need to be these days. This is my opinion and i know it isn't everyones. Just as an aside did you agree with what that mother did in the US an 8/9 year old on subway alone?
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I will let my children take risks at age appropriate times, when the benefits of the risk far outweigh the dangers of that risk. I don't like slinging matches either (Although I am a hormonal pregnant woman), but I do enjoy a good debate. I appreciate your opinion but I wonder how much that opinion would change were you to have children of your own.    IMO, a five year old is far too young to be left to walk home alone, whether it be two minutes or twenty minutes.   Times have changed and while I agree that children do not need to be overprotected, a five year old is not old enough to be forced into taking these sort of risks just to avoid the possibility of growing up to whatever it is you think the outcome of that situation is.   To me, being slightly overprotective and keeping children safe is a much better alternative than being too relaxed and regretting it for the rest of your life when something awful and preventable happens to your child.
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lol I think you made it a slinging match when you first posted
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but to relay it several times over as an argument against other people who have first hand experience with this kind of thing then I think that's a bit OTT, sorry.

There are plenty of other, more responsible, ways to let your kids take risks.   
You can't always protect your kids, but if you CAN protect them from certain things, do it.

I'm with neeandsam. I don't often comment on things like this, but the thought of my child(ren) walking home by themselves at 5 years old scares me.
I remember when I was 5 and being terrified when my sister was late picking me up.

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Originally posted by sweetpea sweetpea wrote:

I would be absoltely livid about what the schools do these days. They have far better things to do then that.

What better things do they have to do than protect the children they've been entrusted with for 15 minutes at the end of the day?

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I think the same dodgy stuff happened when we were kids to be completely honest (in the 70s for me) but then again I doubt we would have walked home by ourselves as five year olds. And I wouldn't want my five year old doing that either...but mostly because who knows, they could get lost, fall in a drain, walk in front of cars...I dunno all sorts! They just aren't mature enough and never have been.
But I also don't think that the school should be used as a babysitter, the occasional time maybe, but then if every parent does that, then every day the teacher would be waiting.   I know we used to play in the playground after school if waiting, and probably there was a teacher on duty.



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Developmentally a child is not ready to cross the road by themselves before the age of 7/8 so I would not like my son to walk home by themselve before them. But I will be expecting him to walk home with a group (walking bus or whatever).
This day and age is dangerous and I don't think it is too much to ask my son to either walk with me or with a group until he is 7.
Sweetpea I see you live in invercargill maybe its a bit different down there compared to busy auckland??


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As a newish parent, I tend to agree with those above in terms of not allowing a 5 year old to walk home.

I was very similar to you in my opinions, sweetpea, before I had a child. Once my baby arrived I realised that I would do anything to protect my child.

Of course there is a happy medium where children need to take "risks" to grow, develop and learn but these are managed risks not risks for the sake of it e.g there is a big difference in allowing your 5 yr old to walk home alone and say sitting away from your child while they play at a park.

Kids are def not over protected these days - I am a high school teacher and would love for some more parents to "protect" their children a hell of a lot more.

I do think we live in a different world to what we did 10-20 years ago and we need to make decisions based on our own child and beliefs.

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Hmm didnt mean to start any arguements here, was just trying to find out if my schools policy was fairly standard but Sweepea in response to the comment about when would you let your kids that risks that are needed to be taken as part of growing up well for me I would probably let him walk home when he is say 6 or 7 maybe and that is only because we live in the same street as the school. There is a fine line between letting kids develope independence and being responsible and doing the right thing and in my opinion a 5 year old who has just started school and in some instances are away from thier parents for the first time is just not old enough to have the responsibility to walk home alone, They are easily distracted and persuaded so who knows what could happen.

And thanks Renee, I was a bit upset as well so glad it wasnt just me taking things the wrong way.
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