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    Posted: 02 December 2009 at 8:36pm
If you had a wish list of things when having a baby - what would it be?
What would be different from an experience you may have had?
If you had the chance to re-design maternity services - what would you do?
What are the expectations of the woman on the street when it comes to having a baby in NZ?

Feedback is needed - I am trying to initiate some changes in our maternity services - just need to know what people are after!
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One for me would be continuity of care!!!
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I had problems with 2 of my pregnancies and the moment the midwives (2 different ones) referred me to someone else for a consult I never heard from them again. No-one was coordinating my care and everyone presumed someone else was doing it so in the end in tears I had to plead with someone to see me.

From those experiences I would like midwives to better outline their role for the pregnancy whether it goes well or not. It sort of fits with the above comment about continuity of care.
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I had a similar problem. I was going between palmy and wellington dealing with an ultra sound place, my mw, ob in both places and no one seemed to know anything from the last person. I was the one telling everyone what I knew instead of the "professionals" doing it. I was appauled.

To put that into perspective my story is:

found out my bubs had spina bifida at 20 week scan, I told my MW this, she got angry that the ultrasound place hadn't told her immediately. She organised me to see an ob in palmy, that was fine. She came to see us at the ultrasound with the ob but didn't stick around until he showed up which I was very angry about as I would have expected my LMC to be there and know exactly what is going on.

The ob seemed to only tell me positive and down play the negatives of my sons condition. I had to ask questions to get all my options presented to me. He never gave them outright.

Both the ob and my mw guilt tripped me. There is no way that a medical professional should do that ever, their personal opinion is not meant to show. I had to tell my MW what we were told, the ob didn't contact mw and mw didn't contact ob. Thats rediculous

I got sent to wellys. Again, MW didn't wanna come, again very angry.

Back in Palmy, I had to tell my MW yet again what we were told and our decision. I got induced, through the 2 appts I had at hospital again, she didn't bother coming, she didn't come to my induction. Only popped in for about 5 mins.


I believe that the medical professionals need to learn how to talk to one another, the patient should not have to relay information. What if I had told my MW something that was actually wrong? And I also believe that your LMC should attend all appts like the ones with the ob's to k now what is going on with one of her ladies. Fair enough if she has someone in labour but my MW didn't and I was appauled at being left.
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Thanks guys - this is exactly the kind of information I need! Keep it coming!
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with my first pregnancy my MW was excellent she came to ALL my specialists appointments and made sure that I saw her for an appointment the day of any scan (in case something needed explanation).

with my second pregnancy....my MW didnt care at all for me having a specialist. SHe didnt come to any appointments, I had to tell her everything and vice versa. She didnt even want to know what the specialist said, she was anti induction, wanted to let me go 21 days over even though Tom had ended up in Nicu, blah blah blah. Eventually I ditched her prior to my induction. I would love a better system for complaining about an obvious risk to the public (most of my coffee group also had her and wished they had changed...we all feel we had "near misses") Apparently complaining on their evaluation forms means NOTHING!
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I'm also having the same troubles with midwives and specialists. I've seen the clinic midwife more often than my LMC and don't feel she cares at all. If I have any questions I have to ask the clinic midwife who shouldn't be the one making decisions and giving assurances about my care when she's not the one who'll be inducing me.


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I found that my LMC didnt really give me any information about my options (about anything). I had done some research myself, so would suggest things or ask questions, so I felt a lot like I was "leading" the discussions. When I was in labour I felt very unsupported until I went to the hospital, and even then she was in the room, but not particulary encouraging. She  made me feel that because I chose to have an epidural that I didnt actually need any moral support.

When I had huge problems b/f after Oli was born, I didnt get any help at all. She basically just told me to "keep trying" even though I didnt have anywhere near enough milk and he wasnt suckling properly. When she did eventually refer me to a lactation consultant I was already in a downward spiral and it was too little too late. Never once did she sit down with me and help me get him latched on, she never mentioned medication either.  I felt a lot like she fobbed me off onto everyone else like the Plunket Family Centre, my GP etc and I felt like she couldnt wait to get rid of me!

 

 

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So - have met with some LMCs who have said that they have no contact with GP's around pregnant mothers - they have no access to your medical records - so if you dont tell your LMC something that was in your medical history - they will never know.

Now there are certainly things that they dont need to know - but if there were things that impacted on the baby - that you might not be aware of (becuase you are not a medical professional) would you not want someone to be talking?

Hmmm...interesting!
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Biggest thing for me, is that the LMC's should allow woman to go to hospital/birth centre earlier in labour, especially for the first time labours. I found it really scary when my contractions started and were around 5 mins apart and painful to be told to take a couple of panadol and have a shower! Neither me or Dh knew what to expect to happen with the labour so when the MW said that 'we'll know when I need to go in', how?!!!

I feel it only leads to more stressful births to try and keep woman home as long as possible!

Sorry if that is rather rambleish
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What would be different from an experience you may have had?
I would've liked to have had less difficulty finding an LMC. Because we moved back to NZ four months into the pregnancy, it was really hard work finding an LMC, and it was scary, because even the hospital MWs said they were too busy for me (finally got the last one off a big long list!)

As far as the birth goes, I would have liked to have had some pain relief. I felt that my MW was stalling until it was too late for me to have an epidural. Being induced after 35+ hours of labour, I felt really out of control of the situation and was quite traumatised from the birth. (For the record, my MW was a back up one - I think my actual MW would've been responsive to my wishes.)

If you had the chance to re-design maternity services - what would you do?
I think maternity services need to be more 'centralised'. As much as I respect what NZ has done with giving women the right to choose their own LMC (an idea I love in theory), I don't think it works - or at least not while we have a shortage of midwives. Last time I got pregnant when I was in the UK and I preferred the system there, where you go to a doctor and they refer you on to a hospital, who is then responsible for your care, in cooperation with your doctor. Although you see a variety of midwives, so you don't have the same continuity of care, at least you have care (and your GP provides some continuity of care) ... every pregnant woman I speak to these days seems to have struggled to find a midwife. (And last week I was briefly pregnant again - chemical pregnancy - and I phoned 6 MWs and none have phoned me back ). I think if the system was more centralised that would help solve the problems raised by Sasha and kebakat - problems that occur when one part of the system doesn't know what the other part is doing.

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Originally posted by kyliep kyliep wrote:

If you had a wish list of things when having a baby - what would it be?
What would be different from an experience you may have had?
If you had the chance to re-design maternity services - what would you do?
What are the expectations of the woman on the street when it comes to having a baby in NZ?

Feedback is needed - I am trying to initiate some changes in our maternity services - just need to know what people are after!


so could we have some more info about you and how you think you can initiate changes? are you asking in a professional capacity, how will the information you gather be used?

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Have had my own two kids - in PN...however have moved up north...and have a number of friends who have had bad experiences with both their LMC and hospitals (remember each DHB has a different system - which in itself is wrong).
I have the chance to talk to the "right" people in the Heatlh Sector - and am wanting to put some suggestions to them...
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so will you be providing them with the info you get from here? and who do you consider the "right people" are?

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I'm a bit dubious too, to be honest - who are these people in the Health Sector? How are you going to substantiate the information you receive? And I am not trying to imply anyone is a liar but if a case is being presented to a group of medical professionals then I would assume any information gathered needs to be backed up.

Also, what about the good experiences women have had? So if there are negative aspects that you would like to see changed, it would go a ways towards credibility to be able to contrast and compare.

Each woman you come across, regardless of whether they have had a good or bad birth experience or both, is going to be different... and this is something you need to be aware of when considering how to "redesign" our maternity system.

I am in no way saying that it is perfect, but for my most recent birth I really wouldn't have changed anything - I had a good relationship with my LMC that went both ways, she visited me at home in the last few weeks of my pregnancy, and I was able to give birth in the place where I felt most comfortable... my home.

In my experience it is also treading on very thin ice in speaking of what "should" be part of each birth experience for every woman, in terms of what is compulsory vs what is optional with regards to LMC care.

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The people are at the Ministry - the info is being collected from Paeds, GP, LMCs & mums...

I spose I am just concerned when I have found out things like the no access to your medical records... lack of communication between GP/LMC.

I agree - there are hundreds of happy women out there - but you dont know what you dont know - ie what are women's expectations - and should they be higher than what they already are?
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so who are you to be collecting this information - your job title and description might be helpful.

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I second that, I think before I or others give out more information perhaps you would like to share some more of your own background?

And re: expectations, again, every woman is going to want something different. For example, I am a homebirther now but know that it's not every woman's cup of tea - and thus it is something that is very difficult to standardise.



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I spose I am just concerned when I have found out things like the no access to your medical records...

What do you mean by this? That LMC's can't access medical records?
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So far I've had a great experience with things, although the most important bits are still to come.

With regards to the midwives not accessing your medical records, I'm not sure how it matters? On my first appointment, we went through a list of questions to make sure that I had no relevant conditions that would make me high risk. If I'd had any issues, the MW would have sent me to an OB, rather than continued care herself. Midwives are trained in the normal - its not their skill base or their job to deal with the unusual/special cases. I presume a hospital OB could access your medical records if need be.

But equally, I agree with Bizzy and mamma2N. This doesn't really seem like the right way to be gathering such information? At least not without greater disclosure from you.

Also, as an example of how every woman has different expectations, a previous poster said she feels it leads to more stress by staying home as long as possible. For me personally, I think the exact opposite. Home is where I feel least stressed - but then I intend to birth at home too, so maybe I'm a *weird* one anyway
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