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Dorothy, did your feed, play, cuddle, feed, then put to bed routine apply to under 12 weeks old? And did you mean two full feeds?
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Hi there

Firstly thanks for yesterday.

Im having trouble with my 11.5week old getting to sleep during the day. I have tried Feed (bottle), play, Change, feed (boob) down for a sleep and its worked a couple of times but she falls asleep on the boob and most of the time she will wake up as soon as I put her down.

She has up and down days where some times she will sleep and sometimes she wont. Most of the time that she sleeps is when we are out and about. Even then sometimes can be a bit of hit & miss too as she also is not a fan of her capsule.

I find that usually the only time that she will go to sleep is to feed to sleep on the boob and also to be rocked in my arms to sleep or rocked in her buggy to sleep. Or also in her baby electric rocker she falls asleep.

Today I tried the cupping that you showed us yesterday but I think Im doing it wrong as I think I just irritated her even more.

For a while I thought it was also because she wasnt getting enough formula or milk from me and thats why she wasnt getting sleepy so yesterday I started to give her more and she gave me a couple of good sleeps (on was actually in the car on the way to the meeting yesterday and she was asleep until the last 30 mins so I fed her changed her and we pretty much left at the end and she had a few grizzles on the way home but fell asleep again.

But today she woke up at 4:30 am after going down at 10 (she normally sleeps right through til 6 or 7am) I was up for an hour feeding before I could get her down again as she didnt actually want the bottle she kept fussing and getting pissed off with it but would happily take the boob. I got her back down at 5:30 before she woke again a 7am and has been up since (with a short 30min catnap in between).

Although she is currently napping now in her rocker.

Shes not in a cot shes still in the moses basket (shes only little - was 5lbs2oz and 47cm at birth and is now only 9lbs 1oz and 55cm).

Please help I need her to have sleeps at home in her bed during the day but I just dont know what to do.
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Hi Dorothy, I have a 5 months old baby who still has a reflux and on medication. I believe he is ready to be weaned as he can hold his head up, still hungry after a feed, shows interest in food and opens his mouth when a spoon appraches. Do you have any resources/guidelines on how to introduce solids? how much and how often should I give the pureed food to my baby? Does solid food help to reduce the reflux? Thanks.
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Hi Dorothy

I have an 8 week old who is fully breastfed who often lies awake, grizzling intermittently when put down to sleep. She is swaddled and usually side sleeps but can wriggle away, sometimes talking away to herself and letting out a grizzle every now and then for up to an hour. I can often predict when she will do this because whilst feeding she starts to twist and turn and her arms and legs are moving. When I put her on my shoulder to settle and shush her to prepare for going to bed she pushes up and kicks with her legs and her head bobs around often knocking into mine. Most times she drops off to sleep very quickly when placed in her bassinet with not even a cry but I wondered what the explanation was for the above behaviour. Do you intervene for non-sleepers after allowing them 20-30 mins to fall asleep? Thanks.
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Hi Dorothy, thank you for your advise yesterday. My son has just gone on 8 months, when he is breast feed he is a snacker, I'm not too sure how to get him to feed for longer, I have tried extending the time between feeds and this isn't helping. Our dr suggested I give him bottle top ups. We are now feeding him bottles through the day and breast during the night. He is a terrible sleeper, during the day and night time. He is also very inconsistent. I have been keeping a sleep log over the last week and have found some nights he will wake 5 or 6 times and Sunday night he slept right through. Last night I tried the techniques u suggested and I ended up breast feeding him just to get some sleep myself. He went to bed later then usual, woke three times and then woke up earlier then usual. Now he is really unpleasant to be around. I am exhausted and being to feel like we r both a lost course. What more can I do?
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Hi Dorothy,

Thank you for yesterday, I found it extremely helpful. I have a 4week old who doesn't yet have much of a 'routine' so I look forward to putting your techniques in place. He usually goes down at night around 11pm and will wake around 4am grunting and lip smacking etc. I feed him and he then sleeps until around 7-8am. I am going to start trying to put him to bed at 7pm, but know he will wake two or three times through the night.   My question is, at this age do I need to feed him during the night or should I resettle him back to sleep, and at what point do I feed him?
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Hi again

Just wondering how I do the whole resettling / controlled crying? When should I first go in when my 11.5week old starts to grizzle/cry? how long should I let her cry for to self settle?
Oh and she doesnt take a dummy no matter how much I try. I have tried alll kinds too
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Hi Dorothy
Thank you for taking the time to address us yesterday, although hard to hear many of the things you said made sense to me. Like a few others at the group my son (who is 8 months and fully breastfed with soilds) has started to wake more often in the night than he used to. Last night following your advice I tired to re-settle him when he first woke at 11pm without feeding, sad to say I failed because he started to scream worse than I have heard him since birth and I gave up (too easily I possibly feel as his Dad wondered why on earth I was letting him get so upset as did I), how long roughly would you suggest I persist to try and resettle him without feeding, he really does seem so very upset and I think I am questioning whether maybe he possibly is hungry? Also with him being 8 months, in your experience is it best to just try resettling in his cot without picking him up? (I tried this also last night but failed after a few minutes and picked him up to cuddle him). Thanks for your advice   
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Hi Dorothy, I am trying to introduce a bottle to my 12 week old. What teats would you recommend. At the moment she will take the bottle with classic teat, 2 holes in her mouth but just pushes it around with her tongue and gets no milk out. Thanks
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Sorry also, on the handout at the talk yesterday it talks about Dorothy's toddler routine, can you tell me where I can find this information. Thanks
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Hi Dorothy
I have a 10 week old boy who is a great night time sleeper - goes down around 9pm and wakes around 9am with 2 feeds in that time (usually 3am and 7am). I have no problem getting him back to sleep - usually have him up, changed, feed & back in bed in 30-45mins (sometimes he's still awake when I put him down and he gets himself to sleep).... my problem is daytime sleeps - if he's been awake for an hour I cuddle/jiggle him to sleep no problem but if I put him down in his bassinet he wakes after 10 mins and wont go back to sleep - if I pick him up he'll go straight back to sleep on me and will happily sleep on me for up to an hour - during this time I repeatedly try to put him in his bassinet but the above repeats over and over - he ends up like a yoyo until I give in and just let him sleep on me... I feel like I might be getting him into a bad habbit and its hard to get stuff done if he's always sleeping on me! - I've tried leaving him crying for 10 mins and tried shooshing him while he's still in the bassinet but nothing seems to work... (I'm exclusively breastfeeding- his feeding routine is 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm, 7pm, 9pm snack before bed, 3am)
Thanks so much! Any suggestions much appreciated :-)
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My son is almost 8 months and has silent reflux which he has medication for. Would you be able to tell me the solid foods I should stay clear of for him as I can't remember all of the ones you mentioned yesterday.
After day 2 of feeding solids first and then milk before sleeps- we both had a pretty good nights sleep last night! He went to bed at 7 and woke around one so I fed him then up at 6 and back to sleep for another hour. When would be a good time to wean him off the middle of the night feed?
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Hi,

Thanks for yesterday. I think you mentioned you had a solids sheet you could send out, are you able to make it available?

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Hi there, my son (8 months) has gone back to napping every hour for 40 mins. Should this be a concern? And how do I extend his nap and awake time to the recommend 2 naps per day 2 - 2.5 hours?
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Hi Dorothy, thank you for your time yesterday! I have trouble with getting my 14 month old to nap for longer than 30-45min during the day, and then she has a long 'witching hour' most nights from 4 or 5pm through to 7 or 8pm. She is swaddled (in the Zip-up love to swaddle sleeping bag style swaddle) when she sleeps, but if it is too hot I will leave her arms free, which doesn't seem to bother her. I'm thinking she may not be getting enough sleep during the day? She is fully breastfed (2-3 hourly during day) and in general is a pretty happy baby, and doesn't seem to have reflux.

Her routine is she conks out at about 8-8.30pm into a deep sleep, and will sleep 10hours, which is great! She wakes at 6-6.30am for a feed and then happily naps from about 7-9/9.30am. Then she will usually have a nap around midday (anywhere from 11.30-1pm) and again mid to late afternoon - we usually go for a walk in the stroller mid afternoon, and she happily dozes. She self settles in her basinet for these day naps, BUT usually only last for 30-45min and she will then cry, wanting to get up and play and appears to have had enough sleep? The odd day she has had 1.5-2 hour mid-afternoon naps, and hardly any witching hour because of that - but this is rare! And I can't seem to find a theme or reason why?

By 4-5pm, the grizzling begins! I try to get her down after her late afternoon feed (4ish), and usually she will cluster feed hourly until 8-8.30pm when after her last feed (after which she will fall immediately into her deep sleep in her basinet, as she is so exhausted). During the witching hour she he will cry if put anywhere near her basinet. She will not sleep on me or anywhere else. I have only had success in getting her to go to sleep some nights if I feed her until she falls asleep on me (usually after 7pm this sometimes works), or I have to rock her in her basinet for up to 45min! I try changing her, singing, burping, seeing if she is not too hot or cold, cupping, putting her down then placing my hand on her in the basinet to reassure her and not making eye contact & walking away (this did work twice - until she cottoned on). I have tried leaving her to cry in her basinet but her grizzles turn to more upset, full on, red faced crying and I hate leaving her like that - I can't leave her longer than 10min crying, and that is hard enough!

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions for extending her day naps, and alleviating this witching hour period. I know the witching hour (or 'hours'!) in the early evening scenario seems quite common amongst my friends too?

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Hi Dorothy- thanks for your help on Monday, I found it very informative and wish Id heard you earlier! Can you give me any advice about international travel in terms of sleep patterns etc? We are going to UK soon and so Im wondering whether there is anything I can do to make the adjustment easier for my daughter (who will then be 9 months)? Also, you mentioned not to give reflux babies baby rice- I have some millet cereal for babies- is there any concerns youd have about giving her that? We started solids last week and she is enjoying it so far- how quickly would you build up to three solid feeds a day (we're just doing one a day at the moment)? Thanks very much
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Thank you for all your advice yesterday.
I have a question which involves a slightly older child. I have a 7 week old son and an 18 month daughter, my daughter has always been a light sleeper and fights her nap times and bed times as much as she can. I am having an issue with her being woken especially from her day sleep ( she is down to 1 sleep a day) by any noise but especially crying that my son makes. It is unrealistic for him to make no noise but the sound completely wakes her up even when she has not had anywhere near enough sleep. Any tips to deal with this would be great?
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Thanks to all the Mums and Dads and babies that attended the coffee session. It was lovely to meet you all. My apologises but I am having trouble accessing the forum so the answers are   coming - just a little slower than usual.
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Originally posted by FHolmes FHolmes wrote:

Dorothy, did your feed, play, cuddle, feed, then put to bed routine apply to under 12 weeks old? And did you mean two full feeds?


For under 12 weeks most babies are up for between 45 minutes to an one hour so depending on how long your baby takes to feed, depends on whether you do one or two feeds in their awake cycle.
Babies that feed very quickly I do tend to do feed, play/cuddle, feed and bed
For babies that take a long time to feed then feed, cuddle, bed
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