Phil & Teds

I am not a big fan, but I can't see any other option for us with a 17 month old and a newborn! I walk a lot so need a buggy that is easy to manoeuvre, that will take 2 kids, will fit in shops, cafes, the odd bus and ferry.

So I have some questions for all you P&T fans!

What are the differences between the classic, sport and dash (apart from the price)?

Is the buggy stable with 2 kids in it?

Do you worry about the kid sitting in the bottom seat being too close to the ground and looking straight up the back of the other seat? Do they get bored?

Have you had any problems with the buggy? I've heard that some models have quite a few faults...?

Is it easy to 'drive' and fold?

Thanks heaps!

I love our P&T e3- have had it 3 1/2years since Isla was born and now using it for #2.
With a newborn you lie the main part down flat, and have the toddler in the doubles kit sitting up the front of the buggy- we did this a few times wehn going for a walk and it was good.
But by 3 1/2 months Aiden was happier sitting up a bit on the most reclined position than lying flat. So to have the baby not lying flat when using the buggy with 2 kids the baby would have to be at the back in the doubles kit, and the toddler up front sitting in the main buggy- I think that would be too young for baby to be in that seat, and would be had to get them in and out cos they still young and not that strong, and the angle of the doubles seat is probably to high too, but I think the newer models have reclining double kits seats so tht might be better.

We have a sport and have no complaints. Kids can look out the side when they are in the bottom seat and if they are anything like mine they will be fascinated by the wheels anyway.

Threadjack.
Melnel. You have the dash graffiti aye??
DO you find the front wheel often trys to go in the other direction when you push it from stopped??
It's driving me nuts. 

When would it be ok for a baby to be i the reclined seat at the back, instead of lying flat??  

sarahbetha wrote: When would it be ok for a baby to be i the reclined seat at the back, instead of lying flat??

When they can support their head really well, it's just so they don't tilt their head forward and cut their airway iygwim.

I walk a lot so need a buggy that is easy to manoeuvre, that will take 2 kids, will fit in shops, cafes, the odd bus and ferry.
- Just wanted to say that's why we bought our P&T and it's been great for this. Awesome for public transport (though I don't "do" buses here lol) and can get around most shops.

So I have some questions for all you P&T fans!


Is the buggy stable with 2 kids in it?
IME yes, very. In my last job before I had C I did loads of walking at the gardens with the newborn/toddler combo and found it great. It's the main reason I fell in love with P&Ts!

Do you worry about the kid sitting in the bottom seat being too close to the ground and looking straight up the back of the other seat? Do they get bored?
I did worry about this initially, but Callum seems more than happy in the back. He likes to watch the wheels and when you get down at their level you can see that actually they can see quite a lot, just not straight ahead IYGWIM.

Have you had any problems with the buggy? I've heard that some models have quite a few faults...?
We've had the weird front wheel issue with our Vibe. Thanks for the vaseline tip Melnel! Up till now, removing the front wheel and putting it back on has fixed the prob for us, so I think it's just that it needs lubing. No other problems at all

Is it easy to 'drive' and fold?
It is SO easy to drive! We have the Vibe mainly because I found the Sport a PITA to fold in comparison. I take public transport (and taxis) a lot so need to be able to fold the pram in a hurry. I was always really cr@p at folding my boss's Sport. Not sure if it's just coz I'm unco or whether it really is more difficult.

We have the bouncer attachment for the doubles kit which came with a head support. With it reclined there was no problem with head tipping forward not sure if it is on a steeper recline when on the buggy though, You will be able to see bubs if they are in the back to check on them as well for peace of mind.

I've actually just asked about these on another forum and the overwhelming majority of users admitted they had had tipping problems.

We thoroughly played with them all yesterday and found them horrible to drive and not such a fan of the handling, especially the Vibe was so big and bulky to drive. Also did not like the handbrake option, we found it fiddly compared to a footbrake, maybe you would get used to it, I don't know.

I also had the same issue I had last time I looked at P&T and when walking kept kneeing the back of the seat when fully reclined so imagine I would do the same if using it with the doubles kit.

If we need a double option I would personally either look at a MB with a toddler board or a double MB. Just my personal preference though. I agree that I would go play with them and see what you think.


Best website I found for reviews was this one... Strollers and Prams

(and not that it would help you at all but for the record we ended up buying a Quinny buzz. ).

Edited by Paws

Just had to come back and add that I was out with Callum and a girlfriend all afternoon today and my friend - who doesn't have kids and isn't "used to" pushing prams around - commented on how easy it was to drive our Vibe

Paws, what did you find fiddly about the handbrake? I find it so much easier than the Sport foot brake but haven't tried the Dash out at all, so that could be different.

If we were in NZ I would have looked more seriously at a double MB but it's just not practical for public transport. I used a double MB back home in one of my jobs too - GREAT for walking with but a PITA in many shops and impossible on the bus unless it's one of the "low floor" ones and you can get on at the back door.

(Just in case you were also looking at this option SpecialK )