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kaybee
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Topic: Non-Christians and Mainly Music Posted: 14 October 2010 at 2:49pm |
Hi,
Just interested to hear from people who are not Christian who go along to/have been to/have considered going to Mainly Music classes in their area?
There don't seem to be any other kids music classes near by me, and Mainly Music have a class just down the road which happens to be on one of my days off work. It is also only $2.50 to attend, which is great.
I had read on the website that it is Christian-based, and when I went along last week I found that there were possibly more references to God than I personally would have liked. Same with the newsletter that they handed me afterward.
Just wondering if there are any other Mums out there how have been a bit unsure about the religious aspect of Mainly Music, and did it put you off attending/going back? And if not, how do you find it now?
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monikah
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 2:59pm |
my sister found it fine. there are normally only a few christian songs and although they often give the kids easter books and christian books for their birthdays she found the ppl there really not pushy which made it really good. i think depending on the age of the kids they wont really get any christian aspects from it unless you choose to reinforce it. Im a christian and took my kids but i was never once asked if i was actually a christian or anything like that so it all relatively non threatening. you could always keep going and if they are pushy or anything then you could try and find something else?
the local libraries also have a good music program called rhythm and bounce if you have a library near you though i didnt find it as good.
ETA: just to clarify my sister is really really non christian. lol
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AandCsmum
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 3:03pm |
I go to a church run music group & a church run play group (2 diff ones) and TBH the kids have no idea that it's religious, so it's how it will sit with you. They won't say that you can't come if said that you were not religious. I've never been asked at the playgroup one if I'm religious in anyway.
The music one does give out more churchy information but I guess it's cause it's run & lead by a paid person where as the playgroup one is run by volunteers of their church.
I think other than plunket most playgroups/music groups are run by churches, I guess they are the ones that really want to support their communities??
So I guess it comes down to how it sits with you.
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JessDub
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 3:36pm |
I'm not religious and we go to Mainly Music. There are songs about God and Jesus which I feel a little hypocritical singing (lightning bolts!) but otherwise there is no other emphasis on Christianity.
The people there - attendees and organisers are so lovely, much friendlier than non-denominational music classes I've been too. Whether that is a coincidence or not, I felt really welcome and DS loves the morning tea afterward with all the other kids. It's cute. All for $3 per session and no commitment to a term or whatever.
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 3:41pm |
we did mainly music before we moved and i'm not particularly religious. Didnt see anything "bad" about it or threatening. they said grace before they ate and some of the songs mentioned god... to the kids though its all about the dancing and playing!
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 3:46pm |
We go to Mainly music and are not religious in the slightest. I have no problem with the God references and only a couple of the songs they sing are really christian songs anyway.
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Mum_mum
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 4:51pm |
We go to mainly music and we are so not religious. There are a few references like skinny marrinky dinky dink, god loves you.... but tbh i don't really mind.
I also think that its important for my children to know who god is anyway more so they are knowledgeable and understand there are people out there who beleive that world came to be slightly differently then what we beleive.
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LouD
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 5:52pm |
Im not religious and go to mainly music and a mothers group. Its very non religious i forget and have to remind myself to watch what i say. I respect what they do for the community and i appreciate they dont shove anything down my throat. I did at first feel like a fraud but dont so much now. They are an awesome group of people and I dont feel like they are a church group
I do wish there were groups and organisations that did this much for the community that werent neccessarily church based so that everyone could feel like they could be a part of these amazing groups. its just a shame that you being christian is almost a prerequisite, without it actually being one, but what I mean is say a muslim or someone from another religion wouldnt be able to come to anything and they really do put a lot on in the community for mums and teenagers etc.........
I suppose it would depend on the group you go to whether they are more full on christian or not
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 7:09pm |
Non religious here too and we go to MM every week. DD isn't old enough to understand any of the god references, and the christians at our MM are not pushy at all.
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 7:58pm |
I'm not religious and we go each week - its awesome!
We had 2 songs with a lot of religion - a grace before their mealtime, and they had "notices" which was about different masses etc as well as other info.
I just love the fact that everyones friendly, everyones out there having a go, the children love it - and it is totally affordable.
I also dont like having things pushed in my face or onto me, and religion is one of them, yet i have never felt uncomfortable or "preached at" or anything there.
hope that doesnt come across as rude in any way..
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:12pm |
As above we aren't religious and yet go to MM sometimes. It doesn't really bother me as they are so young and really have no idea but it's also good for kids to know that a belief in god is something some people have too.
Check out your public library - Auckland libraries have music classes free, and some community centres do for small fee ($2) (without the religion tho)
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:41pm |
We're non religious and we go most weeks. There's one song with a reference to god, but I don't mind, DD isn't old enough to understand anyway. I've been going for a good couple of months and have never felt any pressure and no one is pushy at all.
The ladies who run it are all so lovely and it's very welcoming.
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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:23pm |
I had no idea MM was Christian based! Here music sessions (and nearly all other sessions like Playgym) are run by a community based organisation, so totally independent.
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Posted: 15 October 2010 at 9:13am |
Completely depends on the group you go to and the church it is based in. (I'm on a MM team in our church).
One of our biggest aims is supporting mums and making them feel special and treasured, religous or not, SAHM or working or not etc (you know what I mean?). We usually aim to have one song about God per week (sometimes there's two but it's usually not "planned" that way) and sometimes there's none, just the way the music goes sometimes. We try to offer non-threatening ways that people can be involved in the church if they want but yeah I'd hate it if people felt they were being preached at and didn't want to come any more for that reason. (things like ladies pamper day and craft days etc)
I say go along for a couple of sessions and decide how you feel after a month of so - the programme could changed each week or two? But if it's not your thing it's not your thing and you don't need to feel bad about that.
(and our group aren't doing anything "mega" religious for christmas this year - random toy for the kids, special gift for the family, father christmas should be there and hopefully we can get the petting zoo back again - but other groups would think we were being farrrrrrrr to non-christian doing that  )
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Posted: 15 October 2010 at 2:39pm |
TBH I think its a shame that anyone would consider NOTgoing to something like mainly music (which is a really cool music group) cos its run by Christians or a church!!!
The one we went to had maybe one song a week? and an easter session and christmas session focused on those events, but other than that?
It certainly wasn't pushed down your throat?
I'd say go along and give it a go, it's not going to hurt anyone unless you are actively going to exclude any type of religious expereince form your childrens lives, cos they don't really get the concept at this young age anyhow!
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Posted: 15 October 2010 at 3:14pm |
Complete atheist here and l LOVE MM. We go to a fab group and the ladies are wonderful and l appreciate what a great job they do in the community. The religous aspect is minimal but each to their own and no one judges.
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Posted: 15 October 2010 at 9:19pm |
A non-christian here and my DD goes to the local mainly music. She loves it. They do have a couple of songs with god/religious references - when my MIL spoke with the lady there, apparently they have to play at least 2 (I think) songs. And yes they do say grace before morning tea, but I have no issue with that. They are very welcoming to everyone, and whilst there is a minimal religious aspect to it, I wouldn't say it's in your face or pushy at all. They are a lovely friendly bunch, very welcoming to everyone, and it's a great atmosphere.
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Posted: 16 October 2010 at 1:43pm |
totally not religious here and our local music thing is run by the presbyterian church. There are subtle references to God (ie the odd song) and the newsletters will often have a bible quote in them. It doesnt bother me one bit. I think its good for kids to be exposed to many different experiences and religion is just one of them. Just because we dont go to church (hubby should as he had the boys baptised) doesnt mean they should grow up unaware of what a church is and does. The ladies that run it represent what I believe to be what churches should be about. They are kind, caring and selfless. If they want to mention a little religion..go for it.
Some people complained about singing away in a manger at christmas and saying grace before our Christmas party. I see it that when it is held in a church, you have to respect their beliefs.
I would never NOT go because it was in the church. Its the music and friendship that make it good.
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Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:46pm |
Wow, thanks so much you ladies who are totally supportive of MM (even though it is a bit religious). It means that the aims we put in place for the sessions are totally working and you all feel comfortable, welcome, cared for and your children enjoy themselves. MM should be a place where anyone is welcome.
I have been a MM team member but before I became part of the team I never had "religion" pushed at me. Yes, there are God references and they give books and things as gifts but you don't have to take them...or it's up to you what you do with it when you get home.
As some other mums have said, it would be a shame to NOT go just because it is Christian run. I'm very pro-let the children make their own choices when it comes to religion. I would prefer they did choose Christianity, like me, but they will learn about other lifestyles and religions because I would like them to understand and be able to get on with others (iygwim). When they are old enough to decide for themselves how they want to live then that will be their choice.
I think, really, there are much worse things for a child to be into (and a parent to be worried about) than religion.
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Posted: 23 October 2010 at 9:26pm |
sunnyhoney - im catholic, so totally biased, but i agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence!
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