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Where do I start?! Andy got really constipated when he started solids 4 weeks ago. We got that sorted by taking him to a Homeopath. Now his sleeping has gone out the window!

Just before Andy started solids he was sleeping up to about 5 hours at a time at night. Usually about 5 hours and then 2 or 3 hours. When he woke he'd have a feed and then go straight to sleep. Now Andy is waking 5+ times a night and just screams and screams. I'll feed him and he'll sleep for a wee while beside me and then he will just start screaming again. (The homeopath thinks it maybe colic as his intestines are having a hard time with the solids. When this sleeping first started he would continually pop off when I picked him up. This doesn't happen as much now.) My husband ends up having to take Andy and walks around with him and is usually up for about 1.5hours. We'll get him back to sleep but as soon as his had touches his mattress he starts crying again. He's been sleeping with me alot at the moment but I can still only get about 1- 1.5 hours out of him. Before all this started Andy would wake each night nearly exactly one hour after being put to bed. I'd pick him up, cuddle him for about 3 minutes and I could put him back to bed no sweat. He is still doing this but I can't get him back into bed. He just cries and cries but doesn't even open his eyes! I've tried patting, singing and rocking
him before I get him up but it doesn't work!

Do you think this sounds like colic? Teething? Both?! I've noticed maybe 3 top teeth getting ready to pop through. With the first two teeth Andy was just generally grumpy and woke often but would go straight to sleep again after a boobie.

I'm going insane! Today we've been unable to get Andy into his bed AT ALL!!. I just NEED ONE minute to myself!! My husband told me today that the above is starting to take a toll on him at work. So now I'm feeling so guilty on top of everything else. Hell he's only been getting up at night for the past 2 weeks. Not SEVEN months!!

Any suggestions?? (I am totally opposed to the crying it out technique.)
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Just curious, what solids is he eating?
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Hi.
Pumpkin, apples, carrots, pears. Tried chicken for first time today. When he got consipated I stopped trying new things all the time and have now been giving him a new thing for a week before I add anything. He also has organic whole grain rice cereal in each meal.

I've stopped with the bananas as some people told me they are consipating.
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I was asking about the type of food only because Alyssa used to have terrible nights when I first started her on solids, but it was specifically the Farex baby rice cereal that gave her stomach cramps.. As soon as I switched to pureed fruits instead she was fine. It was only after I asked about it I found out there are quite a lot of babies who don't cope with the baby rice cereal very well.

Sorry I don't have any real suggestions as it is really hard to tell exactly what the problem is when there are things like teething happening at the same time. A lot of other ladies here have more experience with reflux and constipation in babies so they will probably have a few tips...

Hope you all get some decent sleep again real soon
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Thanks so much Pepsi. Do you thing I should try ditching the baby rice? Am just worried about the whole lack of iron thing. But then he's only having 4 tablespoons of the rice a day. Hopefully he should be getting enough iron from breastmilk? I've been thinking about not using it but just need someone to say that it's ok!
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Sienna had problems with the baby rice too, it blocked her up something chronic. It's worth mentioning tho that most babies do have a change in their bowel motions when starting solids, and constipation is fairly common while the digestive system adjusts to the new foods.

It's unlikely Andy's problems are colic related, colic usually starts around 3 weeks and in most cases the worst is over by about 3 months. Definitely could be teething tho, especially if you think he is getting several teeth thru at once.

It might be worth taking him to your GP to get him checked out and make sure there's no other causes for his unsettledness and if the GP says there's nothing medically wrong you might want to flick Louise at the Sleep Store an email, she has some great settling and soothing techniques.
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Thanks Emma. I might try not giving Andy any rice for a few days and see if there is any improvement.
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I have been told that colic is only in the first 3 months,..after that there may be other problesm to rule out. Andy's behaviour sounds a lot like Isla's. She has silent reflux. You could try elevating the head of his cot ( under the feet of te cot at head end is easiest) as see if that makes him more comfortable.
I dont know why he would suddenly get like this tho when he has been settled before.
Do u think he could be hungry? How much is he eating? When I went to the Mothercraft Unit at Waikato Hopsital when Isla was 4 months old, When I rang them back when she was 6 months old when she had started waking heaps again they said that by 6 months babies should be having 3 meals of 1/2 a cup each(one tin)per day. Once I did that,..and started breast feeding her,..follwed by solids within an hour of the start of bf, at 7am, 12, 5pm,..then bf only at 10pm she started sleeping better staright away.
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Teehee Kellz - my two fat gremlins still don't eat half a cup each per meal, I swear I have no idea how they manage to grow, wee Isla kicks their butts!
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Hi Kellz,
That's weird about the colic as I've heard of people having it for 8 months.
Have been thinking about reflux also as when he is lying down Andy will scream but once my husband walks around with him he's okay. I've elevated one end of the porta cot but hasn't done anything.
When Andy is waking he isn't wanting to be fed. I just resort to a boobie to try and settle him. Was reading yesterday that having a drink settles the burning of colic so maybe that is helping.
Andy has only been on solids for 4 weeks so is only having 2 meals a day (I don't know how we will ever manage breakfast!). Tonight he ate 1.5 tins! The last few days he's been having a tin per feed. Right from the start he was eating heaps but I reduced the amount to try and give his system a chance to get used to it. I was using homemade foods but it was suggested that I use tins for a while as the acid is taken out of the food.
Andy has never slept for long periods of time. Bedtime here is around 1030pm! When Andy first started solids he started sleeping well and I was slowly moving bedtime back. But now we are back to around 10:30 otherwise I'd be up all night. Totally sucks! Where's my 18 hours of sleep??!!! If only all babies were 'text book'!
Am so worried about being home alone tomorrow. Am just sooo frazzled Thought it was meant to be getting easier.
I'm going to go give Andy a long bath (usually has showers with Daddy) in the hope of wearing him out!
Fingers crossed!!
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Fingers crossed for you Laura, I'm sorry you are having such a tough time, wish we were closer so we could come and give you a bit of a break
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Thanks Emma . Have been thinking of doing a post to see if there is another Palmy No Mate out there in desperate need of a friend. But thought I better wait until there are a few post after this one so I don't look like a total geek with 3 posts in a row!
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When Isla was eating 2 tins a meal,....mega more than the gremlins (hehe), and way more than the norm, I wondered about my milk supply. In the last week or so I have been giving Isla a top up of formula after bf and now she is eating a much more normal ammount of solids, and is more content.
Isla has silent reflux, so she never throws up like in usual reflux,..but gets the burning of the acid in her throat (she is on 2 lots of meds now). Sucking (on boob or dummy) does help as the sucking action keeps the acid down.
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Originally posted by Kellz Kellz wrote:

When I went to the Mothercraft Unit at Waikato Hopsital when Isla was 4 months old, When I rang them back when she was 6 months old when she had started waking heaps again they said that by 6 months babies should be having 3 meals of 1/2 a cup each(one tin)per day.


i dont think that is it - i didnt even start feeding my boys at all till almost 6 months.

colic generally starts when they are younger - i found this definition of colic on google


colic consists of recurrent paroxysms of apparent abdominal pain starting at about the second to the sixth week of life and usually ending by four months. These cycles last from three hours a day to 12 to 15 hours a day in severe cases. The child becomes hypertonic, sometimes alternating body posture from contracting into a little ball (thighs flexed up against the abdomen and arms drawn tightly inward), while beet red in coloration, to suddenly stretching out and stiffening almost spastically.

so it doesnt sound like colic to me...

i would prob cut out the rice cereal tho...i think it was mentioned on dr phil the other day about how it is a lot of empty carbs for a small child...

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Andy does contract a wee bit and then stiffens up and arches his back out. Has a bit of wind while he does this too. His tummy goes very tight. I try and massage it but it doesn't seem to help.

The silent reflux sounds like something I should look into.

Am thinking that if tonight is bad I might take Andy to the doc tomorrow.
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oh and if it is teeth are you giving him anything..??

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Yep. Am giving him Oragel which Katherine got me from USA. Pretty powerful stuff! As well as Weleda teething powder.

Was thinking about it while giving Andy a bath. Feeling a bit stupid. I just took the Hoemopaths word that it was colic as it made sense. Pretty dumb considering colic doesn't occur this late in age!
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Yeah I'd try ditching the rice cereal for a little while based on my own experiences with it... Andy should still be getting enough iron from your breastmilk at present, so don't worry too much about it as some of the foods you start introducing will have iron in them as well. At this stage it's really just recommended that you begin introducing iron from other sources (solids), as eventually they will need to get iron from somewhere else, it's not that you don't provide any. Good luck!
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I'd also rule out colic and reflux, both of them and even silent reflux would have been obvious before now. Even though they sometimes continue for a full year they are obvious in the first three months.

I think the baby rice might be too hard on his digestive system. Go back to mainly pears (he doesn't need a lot of variety yet) and see what difference that makes. Also, are you bf-ing before offering solids? He still needs mostly milk, not mostly solids at his age.

With teeth, rub your finger over/under his gums and you'll feel teeth bumps if they are about to come through. Otherwise skip the teething powder. Some kids don't get their first tooth until 8, 12, even 16 months of age.
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Yep I am BF before solids. Andy got 2 teeth just before 5 months. There are definately some there ready to pop out as his top gum is all red and sore looking and we can see white bits.

Was going to give Andy chicken and pumpkin again for dinner but I thought it tasted yuck! Our fussy dog liked it though so must have been fine. lol

Will def try ditching the rice and trying more pureed mince.
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