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MelandBri
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Topic: Stresses from a Toddler Posted: 09 September 2007 at 7:40pm |
My 2 1/2 year old is being very very trying at the moment. I feel like I'm constantly stressed out, which I really don't want to be, especially for the health of our baby.
She's always climbing on things like side tables, bookcase or on top of speakers and often falls off.
She torments the cat (and we think she might be pregnant), hits her and chases her.
She's started being really cheeky when I ask her to do something.
And never ever listens to anything I tell her, I usually have to tell her at least 5 times and she still won't do it.
The naughty corner doesn't help either
What do you do? I really don't know what to do with her anymore, I really thought she was getting better, but lately she's gotten really bad.
What do you do to de-stress from the wonderful things your toddler does?
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 8:17pm |
Is she getting much one-on-one time with you? Just wondering if she is pushing things to get your attention in a negative way. Next thing I would look at is whether she is getting enough sleep/food (my 2yo eats like a horse and would gladly eat every couple of hours). Are you consistent with the naughty corner? I really struggle with this one at times, again it's my 2yo also, she's quite strong-willed and it takes a lot of mental energy. When all else fails, I put her to bed with a book and her doll for 1/2 hour (or longer if she falls asleep  ) for a "rest". Good thing she can't tell the time, but sometimes she (and I probably) just seems to need a bit of quiet time... If she has been sent to the naughty corner a few times in a short space of time it is an indicator to me that something else isn't quite right.
When my eldest was 2 I found that the day always worked heaps better if I had dedicated about 1/2 hour in the morning with her, doing something together like reading or drawing or using scissors etc. And she would often continue doing that after our 1/2 hour was up, kinda like I had shown her how to play by herself or whatever.
The other big thing for 2yos is boredom. Recently we went and bought some stationery for Briona: scissors, (washable) feltpens, and stickers; and she really loves spending time with them. She also needs a good amount of time outside every day, if possible.
Hopefully something in there can be of help.  Oh btw, if you ever need to put her in her room with a book for time out for yourself, it takes just 10 minutes to sit down and have a cuppa
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 9:16pm |
Thanks, sometimes I think the problem is that we spend too much time together. She does play on her own, but then we also play together. She also likes to follow me around whatever I'm doing and likes to know exactly where I am at all times. I can't even get dressed or go to the toilet without her wanting to come too.
How do you put your children in their room with a book or something without them screaming the house down. I don't think I'd ever be able to get Brianna to stay in her room, if I put her there.
On nice days she loves to get outside, but once again, I have to be right there where she can see me. Sometimes I can sneak inside to go do something, but it doesn't take long for her to come looking for me
I've tried to be really consistent with the naughty corner, but as soon as I sit her there, she starts screaming "i'm so sorry" over and over, so I tell hershe will sit there longer if she doesn't stop. I can never get her to sit here nicely. In the end I get her up and she gives me a cuddle and says sorry, but I know she doesn't mean it.
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 9:48pm |
Well for the naughty corner we use the bathroom, I guess the biggest difference with that is that I'm out of eyeshot. (We leave the door open btw.) I think one of the keys with the naughty corner is to not interact while they are there. Sometimes Briona will grizzle and say "sorry mum, sorry mum..." as well, but I just ignore it until it's time to get her. Perhaps drop down to just one minute, be hard on yourself and make her stay there for one whole minute every time, and then once you've mastered that, go back up to 2 mins if you think that's what she needs.
When you put her to bed for a nap/sleep, does she sleep independently? Hopefully she doesn't scream then?  With bedtimes, it goes like this for us: child is put to bed, tucked in, has a comfort doll (no other toys in the bedroom as a general rule), kiss goodnight, leave the room with the door ajar. If she comes out, we tuck her back in (no nonsense, not much talk etc) and shut the door tight. And it stays tight until the morning. The next night they start with ajar again, etc. It does work, because they get used to the routine of it once there is consistency there etc.
When it comes to getting dressed, toiletting, etc, if you want to reclaim your independence (lol) you may just need to shut the door on that too. Just say something matter of fact so she knows where you are going (and doesn't freak out)... so it would go something like this:
you "Mummy's just going to the toilet Brianna, I'll be back in a minute"
she (follows you)
you (walks to the toilet and shuts the door with no more talking, or just a "I'll be out in a minute" (pleasant voice))
she (screams the house down)
Ignore her until you are ready to open the door, then give her a quick hug and divert her attention to something you're going to do together, or what is she going to do now etc. Don't let her have a prolonged cuddle etc at that point because otherwise she'll just milk it for what it's worth
Do you hang out with other mothers much? She has got quite used to having you "on demand", hasn't she? No wonder you need some space! If you can get a friend and her kid over (or vice versa) from time to time, it could really help. It's a good age for her to start learning to make friends but also to be more confident around other adults too. She'll get used to the other mum so that when you say you're just popping out to get the washing, or go to the toilet etc, she will (eventually) be happy to stay in your friend's care for those short times. This will help you for when you need time off or are sick and especially for when your new little baby is going to be born. I know that's a while away, it just makes it a long-term goal that by that time she will be okay to spend a day in someone else's care without you. (Scary, I know!) A lot of children her age are involved in some kind of playcentre/daycare/etc, I don't know how you feel about enrolling her somewhere (I'd start with playcentre with you there also); IMO it suits some kids and not others.
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 7:45am |
Busymum you are a wealth of good info ..
Im copyin and pasting that just incase I need it later on
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:07am |
I'll just add to what Teresa said. When we have to use time out for either of the girls, but well, mostly this happens with ayja as paris tends to sit there and sulk. We don't make her be quiet (within reason, being rude towards us isn't allowed though), but she is expected to sit there the full amount of time, nicely, and she does try, many times to get out, the area she sits in is lino, by the back door and is out of eyecontact with anybody. she has to stay on the lino , any time she moves outo nto the carpet she gets put back, can take up to 10 put-backs before she gives up and sits there, usually still crying or having a bit of a tanty, but once her time is up (after she has actually sat there for 2 mins) we go and do the talking thing and a cuddle before she is off to go play again, ask her why she thinks you put her in time out, explain why, then suggest what maybe she could/should have done instead that might have been better and thats it. I think, i have also found, it should be used for the big stuff, ie, the stuff that is really naughty.. which for us, is anything involving violence towards others purposefully, or being really naughty/rough with toys, or if the tantrum she is having escalates despite talking and suggestions of other things/offers of cuddles. The rest is warning material, reminder of what she should be doing ( i usually ask her if she thinks that's ok.. to which we get "no mummy"), why she shouldn't be doing what she is doing (again, i tend to ask her what better behaviour could she do instead) and a warning that continuing that behaviour could end up in time out.
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:14am |
ahh toddlers.
i gave up on the climbing on the coffee table thing and i move other stuff to that it isnt a temptation. our cat pets picked up and carried around by the 3 yr old all the time... i figure she can always retaliate if she is mad enough or run away, cats arent stupid.
sometimes i think we have to learn to just relax. decide what is really important to you - ie climbing on the coffee table - and enforce that and leave the other stuff for later. one thing at a time
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 1:05pm |
The climbing thing is definitely a big issue atm. She's fallen 3 times in the last 24 hours and 2 times hurt herself really bad and it could have been so much worse.
I'm finding it really hard just to relax lately and feel like I'm shouting at her all the time.
Thanks for the advice re the naughty corner, I'm definitely going to be more persistent with it.
Busymum, she is now going to daycare 2 times a week. She's such a friendly girl who really would go with anyone, so I don't think its anything to do with attachment issues. But apart from that, she is with me all other times. Maybe she is getting a little bored, or maybe she just likes to see me get mad
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 1:20pm |
Have you read 'toddler taming' by chris green? I found it really halpful to put into perspective what is normal toddler behaviour and to just ignore some of it (or whether they are doing it for attention), and lots of tips on how to discipline (from letting go of the small stuff through to being consistent with time out). It is really hard when you are pregnant too. I find that somedays (like today!) I wish I could go back to work after lunch like DH - he couldnt leave quick enough today
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 2:17pm |
hi melissa, sorry that things are feeling a bit rough for you at the moment. what playgroups do you take brianna to? i found that xanthe had too much energy and needed more stimulation than boring old mum could provide, so we started going to groups and things, and it really helped - she got to burn off energy, be stimulated, AND learn how to behave when out ;)
i hope it is just a stage she is going through. what days does she go to daycare?
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 3:02pm |
She goes to the Surrey Park Early Learning Centre on Mon and Tues 9-1.30. She loves it, so much that now I have trouble getting her to leave.
We don't go to any other playgroups as I'm usually busy either at home or out somewhere. I probably should try taking her to a playgroup. She does seem to be a little different after being to daycare, except that she picks up bad habits from the other kids, but I guess you can never stop that from happening
Now I'm starting to think maybe she is bored, but we are usually really busy and she has so much at home to play wiht.
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 3:51pm |
snap, xanthe goes to surrey park on a wednesday, from 10 - 3 (just going to start going from 9-3 when i can get myself out of bed in time lol) she is in the preschool room though, so probably wont come across brianna
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