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    Posted: 20 December 2007 at 8:55pm
Was thinking about putting this in product reviews but as I'm not thinking of anything specific, firgured it can go in here.

What is everyone's opinion about educational toys? Do they really educate your kids, or are they as effective as other toys as children learn through play?

The reason I ask is that I'm searching for stocking stuffers for the kids and find myself going back to "educational toys" time and time again. After looking at the reading master system (used to be advertised on tv), was suddenly thinking "is this for real, or just an expensive gimmick"

Lately the preschool market has boomed, with approximately $5 billion in the US market per annum - mostly with "educational toys". so do you think they are worth it? a nd do you believe in their educational ability?
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Yes and no, I think it depends on the toy. Some toys are great because they really make their little minds think about things whereas some I think are just gimmicks
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my parents gave my son a reading master when it came out and although he learnt alot of the things by memory I don't think it helped him 'read' any sooner - although he wasn't into books at a younger age (still isn't). When #2 Brooke who loves books I forgot about them.

Having said that i do beleive in giving 'educational' toys but to me thats like Books, ones that count or tell the alphabet, puzzles etc....
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I'm all for books, musical instruments (shakers etc), puzzles, role play, dress ups etc for being "educational"

I think alot of the things out there on the market today are just gimics
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I think many are only as good as the parent that spends time on using them correctly.

There are plenty of other things that are less expensive and just as effective.

I wonder sometimes if we'll have that problem with paris with reading - you can read her a book once she she can repeat it off by heart to you. Worries me as this was how my big brother got thru till age 7 with no-one noticing he couldn't actually read a word.
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Depends on the definition of 'educational toy'. I class stuff like books and shape sorters and blocks and things as educational. I think anything can be, depending on how the parent approaches play with their child, or encourages them to explore the things around them (so can be any old thing, not necessarily a toy).
In terms of stuff like Baby Einstien etc. I'm not sold, I think they are a gimmick. They are good in that I like that they show real kids and aren't violent etc. but in that respect they are like many other products. I think they cash in on parents' anxieties about producing little geniuses/the perfect child.

Edited to add: Good thread by the way! And if you're looking for stocking stuffers, I had an idea the other day to make playdough for DD in different colours and buy some cookie cutter toys to go with it. Found some neat clear plastic containers for 80c each at plastic box and they look great!

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I agree. I like educational toys the best but the ones I go for are dot to dot puzzles (drawing), shape sorters, dolls that can dress and undress, mega bloks... not all the electronic stuff. I'm convinced that it's more about what we do with the kids than what we give them.
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I think anything that develops what children are supposed to develop at their various stages are 'educational' eg. balls etc are great for hand-eye coordination but probably wouldn't be classed as an educational toy.

I think a lot of the stuff out there in the educational toy market are gimicks. There are much cheaper and better ways of getting your child ahead, and like Janine said they're only as good as the parents that spends time using them.

Aa an aside: Janine maybe when Paris starts school you could discuss your concerns with the teacher and see if she could be assessed by a reading recovery teacher or learning and behaviour teacher. They'd probably be able to figure out soon enough if she was simply memorising the text or if she was actually able to read and retell herself IYKWIM. Kids can be very sneaky!
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Janine - also a lot of kids start out reading like that - then they realise that the squiggles actually relate to what they are saying. whole word recognition and stuff like that. you could show her how the sounds she is making, is related to the letters on the page.
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Originally posted by busymum busymum wrote:

I'm convinced that it's more about what we do with the kids than what we give them.


I 100% agree with that! Ashlee couldn't give a you-know-what about her toys now that she's walking. But pull out her shape sorter, and she'll sit for hours (okay, maybe minutes LOL!). Or more simply, an empty container with a screw top lid and she loves screwing the lid on and off. Even a pen and paper, which she will often bring over to me to draw things on so that she can guess what they are (she's already learnt some shapes and letters!!!). And there's SO many questions you can ask and answer with picture books, and scenarios you can play out with dolls/teddies that are as educational as the next thing.

I don't believe that you need all the flashy electronics in order for a toy to be educational. Even more so now that Ashlee is a lot busier, personally I would think buying something in the way of an expensive toy for her would be a waste of our money!

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Arabella is only young but there is such a big differance between putting a teddy bear infront of her of a toy that has differant sounds and materials to it - she enjoys the 'educational toy a lot better.
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Must admit Charlotte wasn't interested in her leap pad until she was about 2 1/2- until then all she did was mash pages too!

I totally agree its about how we play with them rather than the toys themselves- in saying that I would rather buy an 'educational' toy like for instance a v tech globe, than a barbie. If I'm going to spend money on a toy I like the idea that it 'might' teach them something than being sure it won't.
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Originally posted by BabyOnBoard BabyOnBoard wrote:

Arabella is only young but there is such a big differance between putting a teddy bear infront of her of a toy that has differant sounds and materials to it - she enjoys the 'educational toy a lot better.


This is a really good point - when DD was really little, I preferred the 'educational' toys for her and think she enjoyed them more ie: black and white pictures and things that moved to encourage her to track with her eyes etc. As she has gotten older and able to do things for herself, I think they have become more irrelevant as it is about the child more than the toy.
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I've got a great book called Einstein Never Used Flash Cards: How Our Children Really Learn and Why They Need to Play More and Memorize Less, by Kathy Hirsh-Pasek and Roberta Michnick-Golinkoff. I highly recommend it if you're trying to figure out this issue.

"Educational toys" are definitely an industry, just as "educational" TV programming and DVDs and baby classes and all the rest of it is an industry. We all want to give our children the best start in life, and we're not developmental psychologists or scientists or early childhood specialists. So we rely on marketing and advertising to tell us what's "best" for our littlies. If you were faced with two similar toys in the toy store and one of them had a box labeled "Develops hand-eye coordination! Teaches colour recognition! Helps children to learn shapes and sizes! Reinforces counting skills!" you're going to be drawn to that toy over the one with the plain packaging because of what it's telling you it "does" for your child, and you sure as heck want to give your little one any advantage you can, and that toy certainly seems to fit the bill.

One of the authors of the book I mentioned did a study of children whose parents sent them to "academic" preschools (where the kids were using computers, learning their letters and numbers, etc as well as playing) versus traditional preschools that emphasise play and discovery and skipped the computers and flash cards. The study found that children in academic preschools had no short-term or long-term academic advantages over the other kids. Also, at the time they were in their first year of "real" school, there was no distinction in intellectual skills between the kids who had had "academic" training and those who had none. And here's the kicker: the kids who were in the "academic" group were more anxious and less creative than the kids in the other group.



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Ayja's only just started using her little leap pad now and likes the singing part of it, she enjoys different sounds on the pianos and only now will play along with the "find the yellow square" or "find the things a doctors uses" Paris lost interest in her ages ago.

the most fun thing in our house i think is our cubby house, kitchen and teaset with a big box of dress-ups.. the kids spend ages just dressing up and role-playing. That and good old coloured pencils and paper.. paris will sit for hours now drawing intricate pictures - us being the weird parents we are have never thrown out a single piece of paper she's drawn on, she has a huge huge box of al her pictures and it's neat to look over time and see the progression to where she's at now.

With reading etc, she's starting to do the sounds anyway, like she's ll say a word, for instance ball, then go "buh, buh, B! ball starts with b" she'll just pull all sorts out now and firgure out what letters are in them by the sounds she's making.
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Katherine, that is really interesting. I have just started looking into different pre schools etc and had been thinking about some of the issues you mentioned. That book sounds really interesting. I will have to look out for it.
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The best educational toy is Parent's time. And that is a lifelong investment.
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