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    Posted: 19 May 2008 at 9:17am
This is not for me but a friend.
They have been together 3 years and have one child.

She wants to leave him, nothing is working out no matter what she asks, begs, tells or even not tells him. She has spent almost 2 years trying to fix things and nothing changes. She is sick of being a single mother in a relationship, and still feeling like a single mother.

Hes the type of peron to just make her feel REALLY guilty, and then say if i leave im never coming back.

How would you say it? Would you just come out and do it, or sit down and talk 'calmly' well try? Go out to dinner and do it there? Text it..

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If your friend is well & truly over the relationship, she needs to be strong & not let the guy put the guilt trips on her. He obviously knows it works.

I would maybe talk to Women's Refuge. They could give her some ideas about how to leave, or get the guy to leave.

I've never been in that situation before, so really wouldn't know myself about how to do it.
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Sounds a little like if she knows she wants to leave him, then she needs to be strong, stick to her guns and go. I understand that this could be really hard for her, so she might need to spend a little bit of time getting her ducks in a row. I assume that he is not aggressive towards her? (If so the best thing would be to get her and her child away).

I agree with Italiah, Womens Refuge might be the people to talk to - they would have great ideas/tips for her.
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Womens Refuge are fantastic help I have heard, I agree she should perhaps seek there help first.
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I'd say that if her partner has a temper on him, to chat to Women's Refuge about the best way to go about it - she wouldn't have to necessarily shift in there, but they'll have some good ideas to share about how to do it all. 

A text is maybe a bad idea for it, but if she's scared I can see why she might consider it.  A public place could get embarrassing - I've done it in a cafe before but that was a boyfriend, not a partner, and we'd only been together around 3 months.  I didn't mean to do it there, but he could tell I was uncomfortable with his talk about our future together, and being a terrible liar, it all came out there, which was a shame really.  But a partner of 3 years, father of her child?  That's a much bigger deal, so she might want to give some thought to where and when.  Possibly with a friend or family member present (or in the same house at least) if she's worried how he might react.  Sounds like she's made her mind up, and after 3 years of trying to make it work with no help from him it sounds like she's got good reason to move on - is he likely to try to talk her out of it?  If he is, there's always the 'dear john' letter - shift out when he's not there and leave a note explaining why, or ring from wherever it is she's shifted to.  Sometimes us mummies just know in our hearts what's the right thing to do, so if she goes with her gut instinct, she'll figure out how to go about it.  Hugs to her, and let us know how she gets on!  Sure, I know lots of people who say it's always a shame when a relationship between parents ends, but sometimes it's for the best and I also know lots of people who found it hard at first, but didn't look back after leaving and 'found themselves' again.  Someone I trust told me that being a single mum was hard, but easier than parenting with her bum-hole husband on the scene! 

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Thanks guys.

The difference between being in her relationship and being a single mother is that she will have less washing to do, less food to cook and less mess to tidy up. The chance at a scial life and freedom for the first time in go knows how long.

Its not the talking out of it shes worried about its the guilt trip he will lay on her and how bad he will make her feel.

He lives at her mums with her, so someone will be there, but it rules out the ease of the 'Dear John' way.
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That's a little tricky if he lives at her mum's, 'cause I guess she'll want him to shift out rather than her and the baby moving.  So maybe a good talk (with her mum home and warned to keep an ear out just in case) and a date by when she wants him out would be the way?  If she's worried that her resolve to end it with him might be weakened by him trying to talk her out of it, maybe she could write down for herself all the reasons why she's made this decision, and just keep it to read in private if she feels her decision waning?  At the end of the day, it's HER decision if she wants to stay or end the relationship, and while he also has the same right and power to end it should he want to, he doesn't have the right and power to make her stay if that's really not what she wants.  She's got to do what's right for her and her child. 

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As for being made to feel bad, relationships are hard to end regardless, so she might expect to feel bad at first, whether it's justified or not... it's just the way we're built!  But if she feels bad and somewhat relieved, or freer (is that even a word?! - I mean 'more free') or anything else positive, then hey, she's made the right decision and GOOD ON HER, too! 

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I was gonna say just walk out, which is what I did, then deal with the issues once they've both had time to reflect, but that's tough if he's living with her and it's him that's got to go
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I'd tell her to call his bluff on the guilt trips thing. He only does it cos he knows its his power over her, that he can manipulate her into doing what he wants by guilting her.

Soooo, tell her to tell him to sling his hook and when he does the Im never coming back blah blah blah tell her to say thats fine WE can do this on our own, don't let the door bash you in the butt on your way out. Call his bluff, like i said he's only doing it to make her feel bad cos he knows she will. She is better off without him, and is too good for him. Tell her to change the locks if she needs to, she needs to be strong.

Staying together for the baby is a BAAAAAAD idea, a really, really bad idea and causes more harm then good

Sounds to me she will have it sweet if he goes in terms of less work, so in theory, back to having one child only instead of two, one who is big enough to know better.
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Maybe you could suggest to her that she heads away soemwhere for a weekend, and make that the weekend he shifts out. It would be easier for her if she wasn't there, that why he has gone bythe time she comes home.
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and empty your inbox!
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And tell her to get the locks changed when he moves out - most people forget this but if he's a bit of a w**ker I would do it.
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Thanks again guys.

Yeah its so hard for her because he pulls the 'See you dont love me' and 'i new you werent happy, i new you didnt care' But going away for the weekend is a fab idea!

Have emptied my inbox lol, didnt realize it was full!
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And hey if she doesn't currently love him, and isn't currently happy, then why should she feel guilty about that?  The love of a partner is earned at some point, and it's hard to be happy with someone who doesn't treat you well. 

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Sorry Kandice, I just realised that sounded kinda callous so I hopped back on here quick smart!  I don't know if your friend loves him still or not, but as we all know, sometimes we love people who are bad for us at the time, but loving them isn't enough reason to stay with them if the relationship is rotten to the core.  I guess I was just thinking that it's mean of him to throw the 'see I knew you didn't love me' line at her, when what if the answer to that is, well, no, not really.  She shouldn't be made to feel guilty for no longer being in love with him. 

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