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Can someone please explain the difference between them all.

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i dont know heaps about montesorri except it's specialist preschool where they have seperate philosophy but there are some parents on here with kids there so they can help with that...

Kindy is for 3(3 xafternoon) or 4 year old (5xmorning) and is more structured like school with mat times etc and is all children of the same age..and generally(though not always) sessional ratio for teachers is 1-15 or 1-10

preschool /daycare - there are many different sorts but privately run for example have say under 2s and over 2's (variations on this as they often split them up further ) and ratio is 1-4 for unders and 1-8 ish for overs and teachers are ECE trained (at kindy they are trained and registered like primary teachers)

ECE dont all have to be trained but most are.. and there are a variety...some are more free play some are structured.. and preschool are open for example 7am-6pm and not closed for holidays like kindy is..kindy runs on donation preschool you pay for (though some kindys and preschools do 20 free hours)

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Jake goes to a Pre School that is run like a kindy, sessional, structured,mat times, registered teachers etc. It also does the 20 hours free, which is a bomus. Otherwise you pay per session, like kindy, it was about $3.65 a session or someting similar.
I always thought that pre school and day care were different but people just called day care pre school? I thought pre school was like what Jake goes to, more kindy like than anything? See, always learning!
We looked at Montessori, but I felt it was a bit too rigid for Jake, although I did like their learning philosophy. Here, it is the "trendy" thing to do, so maybe kids aren't going for the philosophy, but the "name"...the families that go are all the same "types" of people. Thats Blenners for ya, tho! Google it, it is very interesting!   Might see how Charlotte goes and look at it again for her, although we are in love with the pre school and it prepares him for the school he will be going to, (is attatched to the catholic school) so she will probably go there as well.
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Foxxy_one has explained it pretty good, but I will add that to be teaching at any early childhood place you have to be trained to at least the diploma or still be in training for it.

The daycare Andrew went to the older side was called the preschool so we just called it preschool to him.

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Originally posted by foxxy_one foxxy_one wrote:

i dont know heaps about montesorri except it's specialist preschool where they have seperate philosophy but there are some parents on here with kids there so they can help with that...



i had sarah at a montisorri school for a few months and personally i wasnt impressed at all, it was basicly like going to school, the day was structured like a school day, i thought it took alot away from them "being kids" so i took her out and put her into kindy, she loved it!!

some kindys are not sessional, and alot are going to 6hour sessions also, but what i did like about kindy was they let kids have their indepandance and let them figure things out for themselves, where daycares tend to do everything for the kids.

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I have him on a waiting list at a preschool but it's 6months before he even gets a look in and that was for under 2's...he'll be 2 next month and will be moved to the over 2's waiting list which is even longer.....so i need to find somewhere in the mean time for him to go....

Everyone tells me to put him in here and there but someone else comes along and puts me off the places i've been told to go! It's so hard...............

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Originally posted by mummy_becks mummy_becks wrote:

Foxxy_one has explained it pretty good, but I will add that to be teaching at any early childhood place you have to be trained to at least the diploma or still be in training for it.


The daycare Andrew went to the older side was called the preschool so we just called it preschool to him.



not true...as of 1st jan this year 50% of teachers have to be in training(or trained)..although lots of places wont take on untrained teachers.. i just assume people call daycare preschool and vice versa...people used to call us a creche..which we werent:(!
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and i disagree about doing things for the kids..we never did everything for the kids..i think it depends on the preschool.. some probably do but some definitely dont..we like to encourage independence too..
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i would just go to the places and get a feel for them and see what you think..what suits one parent doesn't suit others etc..
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you could look at an in home caregiver, through an organisation such as home grown kids or porse, there fantastic, and as they have a small ratio of kids, there really flexable and do so much with the kids.
eg - jett gos to a lady who has 4 kids a day, she takes them to the supermarket, the park, mc donalds etc, if im running late i can just give her a call and tell her or if i need 2 do something short notice i can just give her a call also.
shes fantastic.

i thought ALL teachers had to be in training or trained now. as i know alot of the older daycare teachers and also teacher aides at primary schools and kindys lost their jobs as they wernt trained.

this months issue of littlies has a really good article on picking (i think it was this months) you can pick a copy up from pumpkin patch or amcal.


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Yeah i think i will just have to get off my lazy bum and go looking until he gets in the one that i really want him to go too......I want to get him in before November

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Yeah they have to be in training or be trained. It benefits the centre if their staff are trained as they get more funding with the more quailifies teachers they have.

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seriously..i just left one in september..and they dont.. only half our teachers were trained or in training and ERO was fine with it..the official rule it 50% of teachers have to be trained or in training..believe me I am a teacher adn was a supervisor..

anyway :)!! what you say about funding is very true..

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/index.cfm?layout=document&documentid=12328&indexid=10968&indexparentid=1095

From 31 December 2007 the 50% Teacher Qualification Requirement, will come into effect. This means teacher-led, centre based ECE services will need 50% of the "total regulated staff" to hold an ECE teaching qualification recognised by the New Zealand Teachers Council for the purposes of registration.

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primary and kindy are different...you do have to be trained and registered there...ECE is different.. Kindy and primary have pay parity and have same rules regarding training.
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Originally posted by foxxy_one foxxy_one wrote:

seriously..i just left one in september..and they dont.. only half our teachers were trained or in training and ERO was fine with it..

There is no need to get on your high horse. So we were wrong get over it. Well actually we weren't as in the coming years everyone will have to be qualified and that is what you hear in the media.

I used to work for a college of education in NZ and I know that there is not one centre out there in NZ that would not hire a person if they were not prepared to do some training in ECE and if someone is wanting to work in ECE they will go out and get their BEd(tchg)ECE.

Most of the people that are working in ECE that aren't fully qualified will have some form of training from years ago as when they trained it was the old points system.

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my old preschool has just hired someone untrained.. there's no need to be rude about it.
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I cant comment on Montessori or kindy as the last time i Had a child in kindy it was 8 years ago but Alize has been in Daycare since he was 11mths old and he loves it. He has become really independant and social with adults and child. Like the others have said, go and have a look and get a feel for what you like. GOod luck!

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all untrained staff hired by a centre must be registered in some form of training within 6 months, and that came from the mouth of a lovley ERO person sitting at my dining room table.

anyway, id go check them all out alot of kindys & daycares will usually let you go along with your child for a session and see how you like it, which i think is great.

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catrad.. ok.. she must be going to train then:)well actually there are two one who has worked there forever and one who is trained overseas but not here.. but anyway back to the topic:)

yes it is good you can go and check it out..i like that too...:)
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Yeh i wil, i might ring around my local ones first (Te Atatu Peninsula) and go visiting them there are a few of them so hopefully i will like one that can take him straight away for a couple mornings till he gets used to it.

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