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    Posted: 23 June 2008 at 3:10pm
Okay, so i have a cousin -yeah its one of those-hehe

So my cousin got his girlfriend pregnant. Thats all well and good under normal circumstances, but his gf is 15 and he is 21-yeah i know its just soooooooooo wrong.

So on friday night a lovely baby boy was born-2.2kg's he is healthy but still in hospital as he is rather small.
Me and DH have not thought them having this baby would be a good idea-not that i want to throw stones in someone's ways but she is 15 and her parents dont want her seeing my counsin(mind u i dnt blame them) and its just not a good enviroment to bring a child into.

A brief background-My cousin wanted a kid and his prv girlfriend was about his age-he had 2m/s with her and then dumped her and got another one-they dated for all of a month and bang she is pregnant. Then the police got involved cause she kept on running away from home to his place and not going to school. Now child youth and family is involved as well.

Now with all this they want me to be all happy happy joy joy for them. I cannot fake being happy for a act i do not agree with.
Am i just being mean-thing is i feel sorry for the child because he did not do any wrong and now he is inbetween visitation rights and all sorts.

Okay ladies some advise-should i just suck it up and be happy for them, or show some intrest and just not get involved as i can this situation turning ugly.

okay thats my rant for a monday.
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You need to do what you feel comfortable with.  I can understand your reluctance to "suck it up and be happy for them" and I don't think you should fake feelings but it doesn't mean you need to publicise or project negativety and it definitely doesn't mean you don't need to meet the baby.

 

Lot's of people aren't really familiar with their cousins kids so don't feel bad if you decide you don't want to get to know him but if you do then go ahead and remember it's for the baby not the cousin and his GF.  This baby needs positive, friendly loving role models around, if you want to be one of them then go for it.

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thanks,
yeah i saw the baby-he is such a cutey pie-im all for the baby-but my family are trying to hide what really happened and pretend all is well. That is so not how i am-im open and honest about stuff
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Originally posted by alexbabe alexbabe wrote:

thing is i feel sorry for the child


which child do you feel sorry for - the one that was just born or the one that just gave birth!

as far as i know it is illegal to have sex with a 15yr old... dont pretend to be happy about it if you arent.

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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:



as far as i know it is illegal to have sex with a 15yr old... dont pretend to be happy about it if you arent.

I agree.  Your cousin is very lucky he's not being charged with statutory rape.

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yea its pretty full on, i know you dont support the situation and it depends how close your family is, if your not a close family then all good., if you are though you could end up being her lifeline with all your experience and stuff. you never know, you may end up being the one to help her out of an unhealthy situation and she mite grow up a great lady and really good mum


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He is lucky he hasn't been charged. But I have many cousins and I have nothing to do with them or with their children (and there are alot of them now). Don't fake a happy smile, just go with how you feel.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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yeah i know-me and dh were like you could get charged-but guess what cyfs said-because she is in a relationship with him its not illegal-i mean come on really now.

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well that's not right, he could still be charged - maybe they misheard that one? I'd say think of the baby and do whatever is in your heart for that baby, regardless of the less than ideal circumstances he's been born into. You don't have to fake being happy if you're not - good on ya for being honest, but at the same time baby is here, he's a wee miracle and I'm sure any love and support he has coming his way he'll appreciate.
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stat rape doesnt exist in NZ, i had a foster daughter who tried to press charges and they told her she had been watching too many movies. it was a guy she had broken up with which is why she weanted to press charges (just after some payback) and she was told since they weer in a relationship too bad. and she was 13!!!


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monikah-thats just scary that stat rape does not ezxist in nz
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Cindy, I'd say focus on the baby, it's going to need love and support and guidance from responsible people. Do you like the 15 year old? Because she could probably do with attention and guidance too. My cousin and his girlfriend had a little girl some years back, Katie was young (older then your cousin's gf though). My aunts hated her, but the fact was that she had no real support or guidance from her parents, she was really a lost lonely girl craving guidance, support and love. My mum stepped in and became the support that my aunt should have been and it made a HUGE difference in their lives. We are a pretty tight family so Katie really needed a champion in her corner. Someone who was willing to tell her she was being a silly girl and also their to give her advice and help her when she needed it, or just be their to listen.

You could make a huge difference in both the lives of those children, if you feel up to it.

Also remember that this isn't your responsibility, you can be pissed about it, and morally superior, and just stay out and let them deal with it, you have to think about how that will effect your life and decide what action is best for you and yours.

One thing I also tried to do with Katie was to tell my aunts to pull their heads in and stop bagging the girl, what's done is done and to my aunt I had to keep reminding her that she has this amazing new granddaughter so things can't be too bad. The damage is done, now everyone needs to make the best of it.
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Stat rape does exist in NZ. It's not a law that is tested often, but it does exist. There was a case of a bus driver recently who lost his licence coz he had been found guilty of a "sex crime" - turned out that it was stat rape some 20 years earlier when his g/f was underage, she later became his wife but the convictions stuck.
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Yip, Stat rape does exist. I work as a health teacher in secondary schools and we have a police officier that comes with us to talk thru the law and sex. Its a hard one to prove and it is usually a complaint from the parents that are listened to not the actual young person in the relationship.
       
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Originally posted by Peanut Peanut wrote:

Its a hard one to prove

 

Not so hard when there's evidence... such as a baby.  Your cousin's very lucky the parents aren't pressing charges, I hope he's on his best behaviour and acting like father/boyfriend of the year in case they change their minds.

 

I'm so pleased Michaela won't go through this as a teenager, since the convent we're sending her too won't allow ANY contact with dirty males.

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It used to be called carnal knowledge, not stat rape, and is now called something like 'sex with a minor' (if she's willing, not too far off the legal age and there's clearly an equal relationship- otherwise it's just rape). Charges are hardly ever pressed in these situations unless there's clearly been exploitation/coercion such as a big age difference or one person being in authority over the other e.g. teacher. It's not up to the parents to press charges (although their wishes may be considered) - ultimately the police decide if it's worth trying to prosecute - if it's likely they'll win the case. Law lesson for the day

I think you should do what you feel is appropriate. Lots of 15 year olds get pregnant these days, and many do make good mothers and try their best for their babies - and sometimes it's the making of them - the incentive they need to get their lives on track. It sounds like this girl really needs some support; if you feel like giving it, then great, but it's not your obligation.
I agree with TraceyA - what's done is done, now there's the wellbeing of a baby that should be uppermost in everyone's minds (and prosecuting the father isn't going to help anyone).
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TraceyA-thanks for that,

The 15year old-i really have not gotten to know her-cause well she is abit of a dits and when anyone tries to talk to her she shy's away and just sits in the room with my cousin. When someone dares try to talk to them about the situation-my aunty jumps in and gets all defensive over her precious son who can do no wrong.

Classic was the other night-my mum told them since they are getting winz assistance-they should put say $20 a week aside-so that when day care and stuff like that comes they will have some money aside. o that went down like a ton of bricks.

Lucky the 15yr old asked my mum for help with baby as she did not know how to tell if baby is wet or not.

i guess with time i shall see what happens-but for now my mums sister is making as if the sun is shining and not really addressing the issues at hand and no one is allowed to talk about it.

Right now i feel sorry for my other cousin-she is 26-not married/no dp, and lives at home-she has been pushed aside and everyone focusses on my other cousin and the kid and the 26yr old cousin will be the live in nanny.

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I'd try not to worry too much, I'm sure that CYFS will be monitoring the situation closely and that will probably make the parents of the parents be more willing to assist. Yes, it's not an ideal situation for a baby to be born into but let's face it, tonnes of babies are born into similar situation all the time: either with super-young parents or with parents who are going to split up and fight over care before too long. With support, the parents will likely grow into more responsible beings with a baby to look after as well.
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You can still love the kid without being happy about what the parents have done. Don't blame you for not being thrilled abou it.
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