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gypsynita
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Topic: Homebased carer or Daycare? Posted: 18 May 2009 at 1:29pm |
Cian's been with a homebased carer since he was about four months but I've been having some issues with her and now trying to decide whether to move him to a daycare centre instead or just find a new homebased carer...
I went with homebased in the first place because I liked the idea of him getting more personal attention, especially at such a young age (plus there were no spots available at the centres then!) but his carer has upwards of 4 kids anyway, so the ratio is the same as at a centre.
Has anyone done both? What were the biggest differences?
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 1:43pm |
I have been in your position... my DD was in homebased from 8 months - 13 months but we moved from town to the country and home based carers were few and far between so put her into daycare, she loved being at both, homebased she got the one on one care she needed but then the daycare offered children her own age and more stimulation.
This is only MHO, but for #2 we will put it into homebased until about 12 months and then daycare.
If you are having issues with your homebased carer can you talk to the provider? I would move him asap if you are not happy, either to homebased or daycare... i.e if daycare has a waiting list, put him on it and put him with another home based carer until the spot is available.
Kids change, their needs change and therefore we need to adapt sometimes...
To risk talking in circles: Homebased IMO gave Arna the best start for the first wee while while she got over not having me around, once she got to a more independant stage she needed to be with other kids so this is where daycare was good...
Ok ramble over: all the best and if I made absolutley no sense i apologise! Typical monday for me
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 2:03pm |
no that made perfect sense!!
He has really enjoyed being in homebased, but I'm having a hard time trying to find someone new, especially now that I have more an idea of what i'm looking for  I did talk to the provider about the issues and that's why we're looking for alternatives but it's hard work!! plus i don't want to move him around too much, so really want to get it right this time...
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 2:26pm |
we had Ella in homebased from when we was 6 months- 13 months and then moved to daycare (I loved her homebased carer but she was getting more and more unreliable and it was getting to be a bit of PITA). Ella loves going to daycare and settled in there very quickly (mainly i think because she was used to homebased care).
I like homebased care for young babies, as is less stimuluating than daycare and they can keep more to their routine...but daycare for toddlers as it gives them more social interaction and a wider range of experiences.
2nd time around I think I would probably do exactly the same thing.
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 4:07pm |
I think homebased is really good for younger babes. In home based care they should only ever have four children so I would really be very concerned if they had more than this.
Daycare is a lot of socialising for a small child but if its your only option and you just can't find anyone else suitable then kids adapt well.
Its a tough one for sure. I hope you can get it sorted.
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 4:36pm |
To me it would depend on the carer. Im personally not a fan of homebased care, but that more because of the horror stories of when something goes wrong (you know the ones that end up on the news) .. obv not an everyday occurance, but it is just something that would make me really think about it.
It the homebased carer had other adults on premises as a back up and had an ECE degree then I think I would be more comfortable with the arrangement.
Otherwise I like the "safety" of a daycare facility. The staff are required to be qualified or in training to become qualified ... although Ive only considered putting Isabelle at her current age and only part time, more for social interaction and as such we chose a daycare facility (although she is in the one where DH works, so its a little easier for us as she still has a parent around)
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 7:29pm |
I feel like I have the perfect situation (sorry) - I have a home based carer who is an ECE teacher with 20 years experience AND she does it with her SIL so there are always 2 adults around. It means that, depending on what day it is, there are between 4 and 8 kids and Daniel is the baby. I like it cos he gets lots of attention from the carers, and odds are if he needs someone, there will be an adult who can attend to him, but he also gets the stimulation from a bigger group. And she's brilliantly set up with all the toys and equipment.
Personally, I would not put Daniel in a day care centre till he's 2 or so. One big reason is that most of the centres near me have 28+ kids under 2 and even with a compulsory 1:4 ration, that's way too many kids. And selfishly I want my son to gets lots of attention when he needs it! I've also read variable evidence about kids in daycare. That said, the most important thing at that age is the quality of the relationship between the main carer (at the daycare provider) and the child and some daycare centres do a fantastic job at this from what I've heard.
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 9:44pm |
Carer should definitely not have more than 4 kids! Even if they have 4 though and the ratio at a centre is 1:4 it is still a lot busier and noisier at a centre. Also remember teachers can come and go at a centre and babies really need one person to build a relationship with rather than a whole raft of people.
Flissty (just on a side note) - is yours a private arrangement? Because I'm pretty sure they're not really allowed to have two caregivers and more than 4 children on the same premises...home based care order only allows you to have one caregiver with 4 children in one home. Although my sleep-deprived baby brain could have that wrong
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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 10:10pm |
Yeah, it's all legit through an agency, one of the biggies. The agency is trying to encourage more carers to do it cos it works so well for the carers and the bubs. Maybe they get away with it cos they are related and have 2 houses on the same property ....
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 11:13am |
Ah it's probably the fact that it's two houses that makes it ok  Sounds like a great set up!  You are lucky.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 11:47am |
Hi there
Ive done the lot, homebased carer, a nanny in our home and daycare center. We found the nanny brilliant when we had young babies, didnt have to take them out in the cold etc they had there own things and bed. From 2-31/2 homebased carer (we had a awesome one) socialisation, fun activities but not so overwhelming and 31/2-5 daycare center. Also had a really good one there. Our kids have loved all these options and but I found I wasnt so freaked out leaving them when they were small with a nanny instead of a large center. I recommend all these options provided you can find good ones.
I'm pregnant again now and not working so Im able to have the kids at home which is awesome. Not sure though if I go back to work what we will do after this time around.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 1:39pm |
I put my 8 month old into part time daycare, and if I could have my time again I never would have done it. Apparently around that 8-9 month age is the first time that alot of babies get separation anxiety, so that, combined with the fact that my Daughter is a sensitive wee girl, made for a nightmare at daycare and a very very unhappy child. I perservered for six months but I ended up taking her out of daycare and have never put her back into any type of care at all, besides from her Nana having her for a day and a half a week. She is now 21 months old, and I think her sense of security and confidence has only really returned in the past 3 months. I have just started her in playcentre, where I attend with her, to get her use to intergrating with other children.
Its different for every child as they all have their own personalities, but if I was to have my time again, I probably would have tried home based care at least until she was 18 months old. Not so much hustle and bustle, and only one primary caregiver.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 4:28pm |
Thanks for all the advice guys
My current carer doesn't have more than 4 kids at a time, but this is the same (if not worse) than most of the centres I've talked to - the one I'm thinking of going to only has a total of 5-6 0-18month olds on any one day, with 2 staff dedicated to them so that's heaps better ratio!
Plus, she's just not reliable with following my routines, she feeds him food that I haven't provided or approved, and everytime I'm there she has the tv on, so you've got to wonder if it's on all day?
I think I'll just keep looking at both and take whatever I can get - going from what a lot of you have said he'll be ready to shift in 3 months anyway, so might as well do it now!
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 12:52pm |
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 12:53pm |
lilfatty wrote:
To me it would depend on the carer. Im personally not a fan of homebased care, but that more because of the horror stories of when something goes wrong (you know the ones that end up on the news) .. obv not an everyday occurance, but it is just something that would make me really think about it.
It the homebased carer had other adults on premises as a back up and had an ECE degree then I think I would be more comfortable with the arrangement.
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I feel this way too. My main problem with the idea of homebased care (and I hope I'm not going to offend anyone) is that too often I hear discussions along the line of "I've had my baby and don't want to go back to work but we need the money, what job can I do from home" and more often than not it's suggested they become a home based carer. I don't want my baby to be looked after by someone whose main motivation for doing so is so that they can afford to stay at home with their child! May be a bit harsh, but the way I feel. Childcare is such a difficult and challenging job for not much money, I think to be successful you need to have a real passion for it, whether it be homebased or daycare setting.
In saying that, if they were properly qualified and had been doing it for a long time, i.e. it was a career choice, not a last resort so they didn't have to go back to their previous job then I'd be more open to it.
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 3:26pm |
Can I just respond to this - I was a programme tutor for PORSE (before I went on mat. leave) and had around 25 educators I visited each month. Out of these there were only 3 I can think of who had their own preschooler at home with them. I think we can all agree that having 4 preschoolers in your home is NOT an easy job, and I think anyone who does it thinking it's an easy way to stay home doesn't last long.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that of course you want someone looking after your child who is doing it because they love children. Just saying, I think the number of people doing it because it's an easy solution is probably less than you think.
One more thing (sorry) - I have known a lot of untrained educators and a lot of degree/diploma qualified teachers. And while training is obviously a good thing, a diploma does NOT make a good teacher. If someone is untrained but is passionate about children, willing to do some training and I felt I got on with and trusted I would rather have them looking after my baby than someone with a diploma who isn't as committed. I know some wonderful home educators who are warm and love children, and have just started level three training. On the other hand I know teachers with diplomas who have either been doing it too long and are over it, or who knows why they did it in the first place because they don't seem to like children all that much!
Sorry, don't mean to rant.
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 6:00pm |
It's ok AuntieSarah, I understand what you're saying - and I have never looked into homebased care, all I really know about it is what I've heard on parenting forums like this one, and unfortunately 'why don't you become a home based carer' is a topic which comes up a lot as a solution for mums who don't want to go back to work. If the actual reality or motive of who becomes home based carers is completely different, then that's all good.
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 7:19pm |
I take my hat off to any one who is a home based carer - there is no way I could do it!
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 11:50am |
wow this kinda sheds some light for me. i was always thinking i wanted my boy to be at home with someone as opposed to daycare yet worried about having one of those horror story nannies caught on the nanny cams! I think I might try and get my mom to take care of him (course I'll have to pay her! figures...) but at least I'll know that he's getting one on one and will be ABSOLUTELY safe. The day care will become an option once he's old enough to take on all that stimulation.
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