New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Comparing kids
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Forum LockedComparing kids

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Glow View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2007
Location: Waikato
Points: 2259
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Comparing kids
    Posted: 20 July 2009 at 10:16pm
Is it possible to parent without comparisions?

This has got me pondering.. our entire culture is based around competition & comparision from the education system, percentile charts, parenting books, milestones, "typical behaviours" and when our kids fall outside of these, we are quick to notice and to judge. We want our kids to lead healthy sucessful lives. We want assurance beacuse parenting is highrisk & outcomes are never guaranteed.
Our comparisions are always restrictive & limiting. Because we are always looking for the norm, any difference becomes the frightening unknown. WE are so in the information era that anything without a label or diagnosis is causes anxiety. Competition & comparision can be healthy - if you view the child from a holistic viewpoint (as a developing individual) But all to often while we are comparing the whole gets broken down & tiny fragments break away, each fragment baring a lable. And lables by there nature are exclusive & limiting

I spend lots of time trying to point out how each of my kids are succeding as an individual & try to stay away from language that generalizes or excludes. Yet Im as quick as the next mum to notice when my boys are falling behind their peers/eachother with percentile charts etc, and I immediately start to worry. Or I celebrate when my sons' master something- like toilet trainning- ahead of the curve

So I am wondering do you compare your kids with their peers or siblings? And what do you think the pros & cons are of our cultures need to compete & compare?

Mummy of Two Boys
B: 2004
K: 2007



Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Tastic View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 January 1900
Points: 3921
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tastic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2009 at 10:48pm
I use to compare, and also they use to tell me that bailey is slow at something because her son or daughter did it at a younger age, then her son didnt walk till 20months and she learned that its not nice to judge or compare at all!
Aidan was different because he was so prem, yes of course I compared. I soon learnt that because of this he WOULD NOT be in the 'normal range or normal time frame' for any of his milestone or weight/height
it was very hard
I think everyone needs to realise that EVERY CHILD IS DIFFERENT!
even two children in one family are different and unfortunately we live in a world where all people do is compare and judge

have I gone off topic? lol sorry if I have!
Back to Top
tishy View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 August 2007
Location: Wellington
Points: 3941
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tishy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2009 at 11:30pm
I was constantly compared to my twin sister when I grew up. Mainly by my mother but also by other people. We were also 'labeled' and not expected to excel or be good at what the other was apparently better at.

So, I am trying my best not to compare my 2 in the same way and it's hard!
Already I've noticed they have different learning styles and different ways of dealing with things.
Back to Top
ellen View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 02 July 2007
Points: 225
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ellen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 6:55am
I love the nature/nurture theories. I believe that we're born with our own personalities that are shaped and evolve in the environment we're placed.

I have 3 boys (to the same father) who all look completely different and have been parented slightly different due to their personalities and where they fall in the family (eg; super protective of the first and much more relaxed with the last, etc).

The first born has been a huge learning curve and the youngest has done most things earlier than the other two because he wants to be doing what they are. They each have their individual talents and personality traits so it's really hard not to put them in a "box" and limit their potential. Oh and, typically, I've forgotten to mentioned the middle child - he tends to cruise through life avoiding conflict and getting on with his thing.

I certainly found it extremely stressful when my eldest was a baby/toddler as an unconfident mother I was always looking for the milestones to re-assure myself that he was doing OK. It can put a lot of pressure on new mums and I really admire those that can trust in their own instincts.

I also think that schools need to compare kids against the national "norm" as this helps them pick up where kids might need some help - and schools need to be accountable for learning outcomes. But in saying that as long as the children are progressing and not falling "behind" it shouldn't matter where they sit on the graphs.
Back to Top
kebakat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 January 1900
Location: Palmy North
Points: 10980
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kebakat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 8:02am
I compare Daniel to the other june bubbas all the time even though I don't want to, it just happens in my little head.

He crawled slower than other bubbas his age, he walked slower, his language is developing slower and it's hard not to compare and wonder why that is. It really sucks at times
Back to Top
cuppatea View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 05 February 2007
Points: 7798
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cuppatea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 8:54am
I'm the same, worried myself sick because Spencer was late to sit, crawl, walk and talk. Now you wouldn't know the difference and his language and his movement has moved ahead of some of the children he was behind (another comparison). And Stacey I was always happy to read that Daniel wasn't light years ahead of where Spencer was, made me feel better about things, that I wasn't all alone IYGWIM.

I compare Kyle to Spencer a lot, but mostly it's because I find it so fascinating that he is so different to Spencer. Looks different, different personality, doing things in a different order and different way. I thought siblings would be more a like at this younger age.

I think it's impossible not to compare. I suppose we just have to try and teach them how to deal with the comparisons/view them in a positive way and try not to make so many of them ourselves.

If it wasn't for comparisons and competition we probably would have gone extinct a long time ago, I think it's just in us as a survival thing but it's evolved and is now based around academic achievements, sporting achievements, financial achievements and so on.

Back to Top
lisa85 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 11 September 2008
Location: Christchurch
Points: 2465
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lisa85 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 9:01am
I try so hard not to compare H & E to other kids their age but it's so hard. I keep getting emails from people who were in my antenatal class. All these kids that are a month or so younger than H & E are walking and my 2 aren't even close.
The hardest part is trying not to compare them to each other. Hazel is now a kg heavier than Esme and I can't help but worry that Esme doesn't eat as much. It sounds crazy when I say it out loud but it's sometimes hard to remember that just because they are identical twins doesn't mean they're the same person. I have to give myself a reality check sometimes lol.


TTC #3 since Jan 2010 - PCOS
MC April 2010
Back to Top
peanut butter View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 20 February 2007
Points: 8044
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peanut butter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 9:33am
I do it too. As an example, Tom is very bright and I worry that James wont be as bright. Then I worry that I am expecting him not to be and therefore not giving him a chance (I'm a virgo...worrying is what I do best LOL).

James isnt rolling yet and Tom would have been almost crawling at this stage....BUT....I think they just do somethings different. DH and I were talking about that last night as I was having rare cuddles with James (he doesnt let me). We commented how Tom was on the go from the day he was born, yet James seems happier to sit back calmly and watch.

They are different and I think that is cool, I just dont want to prejudge how James will turn out. I am really trying hard to let him be him. but it is hard!
Back to Top
AandCsmum View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 13 May 2008
Location: Palmerston North
Points: 8432
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AandCsmum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 10:30am
I'm lucky that I have a boy & a girl. I am comparing their weights & heights because they are almost spitting images of each other right down to a birth mark next to their belly buttons.

Other than that I don't compare them because of the different sex, actually I have noticed that Cooper is slower at doing things than his sister but that could be to do with being a 2nd child as well.

I don't usually compare Alia to her friends as she's just so much taller & different as a child than them.
Kel


A = 01.02.04   &   C = 16.01.09   &   G = 30.03.12
Back to Top
peanut butter View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 20 February 2007
Points: 8044
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peanut butter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 10:42am
double post

Edited by nzpiper
Back to Top
busyissy View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 January 2007
Location: Hamilton
Points: 675
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote busyissy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 1:51pm
The only way we compare differences in our children to each other but not in the form of competition but more in the nature of exploring their differences and similarities. We love the individualality and celebrate it.
My friend and I often talk about the differences in our boys (who were born 6wks a part) but again there is no spirit of competition but more in fastination of their differences.
Intelligence is individual and there are many different types of intelligence. Some of us will excell in language, music, maths etc while others will have more physical intelligence and excell at sports. We see it all the time in the differences between our children and their friends but there is no judgement, not at this age anyway. It is important to remember that school, society and their peers will do enough of that for them, parents are for unconditional love and acceptance.
Back to Top
Glow View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2007
Location: Waikato
Points: 2259
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 1:57pm
I have thought alot about this & it isnt an easy thing to answer nor admit.
Do I treat my kids differently.. sure. They are different, they arent one person but two completely different creatures! Im sure if you ask them they will probably both say I love the other the best. I tried to do it that way. In all our special "bedtime cuddles" we each had our own time & I wanted them to think " I loved them "best"

So yea- there is a difference in comparing & treating them differently. Thats where I was trying to go with the comparing & lables that can often be negitive. But I agree evry child is different. Every child needs to be treated differently. To have his/her differences celerbrated. To be encouraged. Its when one sibling lives in the showdow of the other- or a peer- that they start to internalize their difference & see themselves as failures.

I also think some comparision is healthy, if it makes a person strive to be better but too much is detrimental if it makes someone feel inferior. AS a parent navigating that fine line is quite a challenge
Mummy of Two Boys
B: 2004
K: 2007



Back to Top
peanut butter View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 20 February 2007
Points: 8044
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peanut butter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 8:59pm
Well said! I would also add that as we can all admit that we do compare our kids, we are probably much more able to "control" those urges and do the best for our child
Back to Top
Bizzy View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 January 1900
Location: New Zealand
Points: 10974
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bizzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 10:31pm
i have never taken note of percentiles or where my kids sit on them, or weights or anything like that...

i agree with glow that my kids are treated differently because they are different...

i dont know if i would say i compared kids of a similar age, but i am interested in seeing how much alike or not kids of similar age are. I know several little babies born within a week of eden and i love seeing if they are doing the same stuff or not.

Back to Top
peanut butter View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 20 February 2007
Points: 8044
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peanut butter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 9:15am
I think it is fascinating how different they are and how it means nothing in the long run. In my coffee group we have one little girl who wasnt even rolling by the time others were walking. Now at 2.5 she is by far the most advanced speech wise and thinking wise and as for physical ability...just the same as the others.
Back to Top
MissCandice View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 01 January 2007
Location: Christchurch
Points: 3836
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MissCandice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 2:18pm
I worried all the time!! Like Stacey i compared Kylah to all the other August babies, she didnt roll at all, crawled at 11 months and didnt walk untill she was 16 or 17 months old.

I must admit i worried about it for months!!
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.05
Copyright ©2001-2022 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.621 seconds.