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    Posted: 04 September 2009 at 12:46pm
Just wondering how any of you out there feel about embryo donation? I have done IVF and have 2 frozen embryos. Donation is one of our options as we probably will not be using them (have 3 kids) ... I'm just wondering what the public opinion is

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Personally I think its a lovely idea. Not an easy decision to make for your own embryos, but I'm all for it.
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I'm for it as well,I agree with T_Rex I also think it would be a very difficult decision, but what an incredible gift to give someone! The chance for someone to have a child..... youre a very special person to even be contemplating it
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I think it is one of the most amazing things you could do for someone and something I will be looking at once we complete (AND START!) our family.

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I think it's a wonderful thing to do. I know I'm determined to do anything I can to help other couple facing infertility, ince we've got through to the other side ourselves.

From what I gather, embryo dontation isn't the simplest thing to do... there might be a bit of paperwork or something? But I think it's so, so worth it.

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Good on you! I think it's wonderful. There is a hell of a lot of paperwork to be done - each instance of donation has to be approved through ECART - an ethical review committee. I think from memory that there have been 13 approved and 1 declined. Your IVF "provider" should have more info as well.

Info from the Ministry of Health website ...

(1) The new guidelines are
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(2) Old info about the process
Questions and Answers - Embryo Donation for Reproductive Purposes

What is embryo donation for reproductive purposes?

Embryo donation is the donation by a couple, who have surplus embryos, of one or more of those embryos to an infertile couple or individual.

During in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment, it is normal to collect a number of eggs from the woman receiving treatment and for these to be fertilised with the sperm of her male partner, or in some cases, a sperm donor. It would be normal for 5-8 eggs to successfully fertilise. Generally one or two embryos would be transferred to the woman, with the remaining embryos being frozen if this is requested. If a pregnancy is not achieved following the IVF cycle, the frozen embryos are thawed and replaced, usually on a natural cycle.

The availability of frozen embryos means that there is another chance of having embryos replaced without having to undergo the stress and cost of IVF treatment. If a pregnancy is achieved, then the frozen embryos can be used to achieve a second or subsequent pregnancy. Once the desired family size is achieved, a decision has to be made regarding what should happen to any surplus embryos that remain.

What is in the Guidelines for Embryo Donation for Reproductive Purposes?

The guidelines require all applications for embryo donation to be submitted for approval on a case-by-case basis.

Only couples who have embryos created from their own gametes, intended for their own use, may donate surplus embryos to other people. Donor couples may not donate embryos until at least two years have elapsed since the decision that their families are complete. In addition, donor couples can only donate embryos to one family.

Recipients must have a medical condition that precludes normal reproduction or unexplained infertility that has not responded to other treatments. The guidelines require donor couples and recipients to undergo extensive counselling before they are able to proceed with embryo donation. Clinics providing the service are required to keep information on the donor couple, including names and current addresses, ethnicity and cultural affiliations, and any significant medical history of the donors. Informed decision-making is required for all participants in embryo donation and extensive informed consent processes are detailed in the guidelines.

Why have Guidelines for Embryo Donation been created?

Advances in reproductive technologies offer many potential benefits for infertile people. However, there are also uncertainties, risks, and unknowns.

The Guidelines for Embryo Donation for Reproductive Purposes seek to balance harms and benefits in ways that respect the wishes of individuals, demonstrate caution in relation to possible harms, and give due respect to society's evolving norms.

The guidelines respect the autonomy of all parties: persons seeking the assistance of others to form their families; those offering to assist; and any existing children involved in the arrangements. In this regard, choice and informed consent are essential.

Respect for privacy is also important. In particular, the guidelines seek to protect the interests of the child-to-be, including their need to grow up in a caring family and form a clear concept of self-identity that is underpinned with accurate information about origins.

What are the pros and cons of embryo donation for reproductive purposes?

The main benefits of embryo donation for reproductive purposes are that it gives:

people with surplus embryos an option other than storage or destruction
infertile people another possible way of having a child.

The main issue with embryo donation for reproductive purposes is that it involves the separation of children from their genetic parents and siblings. As in adoption, the child is raised by ‘social parents’, rather than its genetic parents. There are associated issues, including:
access to genetic information by offspring born as a result of embryo donation
informed consent for all parties involved.

The Guidelines for Embryo Donation for Reproductive Purposes mediate any potential harms as much as possible.
Where do people go for embryo donation?

Fertility clinics carry out the majority of assisted human reproductive procedures in New Zealand, and some clinics have indicated their interest in offering the service. However, NECAHR recommends any couple experiencing fertility problems talk to their general practitioner first.

What is the status of the embryo donation guidelines under the Human Assisted Reproductive Technology (HART) Act 2004?

Under the HART Act, the Minister of Health can approve interim guidelines for use by the Ethics Committee on Assisted Reproductive Technology (ECART).

When developing the guidelines NECAHR took into account the possibility that the guidelines would need to be able to be used by ECART after it had been established. The Minister has approved the embryo donation guidelines for use by ECART.

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I have to post this as I think it's an ethical minefield.
We will probably do this when our family is complete, assuming there's any embryo's left over. I'm not concerned about there being a full genetic offspring to our own children out there as we will be completely honest with our kids about the possibility. However, the big sticking point that DH and I can't agree on is future contact rights. I am adamant that once the gift is given to someone else, then that is the end of the story (unless they want to trace us as an adult). However DH feels that if our own children get sick and need say a bone marrow transplant or something, and there's a genetic sibling, then he would want to have access to that child. My point of view is that I'm not giving our embryo's away for someone to raise these other kids as spare body parts for our own kids. It's a major issue for us as we clearly view it very differently.

Naturally we would do the counselling, but as I believe in life from conception, I feel better about potentially embryo doning than I do about destroying unwanted embryos when our own family is complete.

The other thing I consider is whether someone who is unable to have child of their own would actually be happy with our combined gene pool, because unlike egg/sperm donation, it's not half of you or your partner, so no genetic link. Also, unlike adoption when you get a "live" kid, you don't know how a pregnancy will turn out and if it didn't go so well, how good would the new parents with that? It's not like you can give it back or change your mind.

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I have not been on this site in what seems like forever and for some reason tonight after well over a year i popped in to see what was happening and the Donor Embryo comments were there. I just had to reply . . i surprised myself totally by even remembering my passwords, anyway i digress!!!
My partner and i have entered the emotional rollercoaster journey of IVF many times and have unfortunately now reached the end of the line. We have accepted finally that we are unable to have our own biological child as our embryos are always of quite poor quality and there are now other issues as well. We have now entered a new phase of our journey to make our family complete and that is we are the recipients of Donor Embryos. I just felt the need to say that we never ever will be able to thank the donors enough for this most precious of gifts anyone could give. Words alone will never encompass what we need to say to these strangers (whom we have now met as part of the donation process after counselling etc) for giving us the gift of hope.
We have not yet gone to transfer so i cannot comment on the outcome of the donation but i can say that donating, as has been done for us, is one of the most amazing things a couple could ever do. My partner and i had always said when our family was compete this is something we wanted to consider as the battle with infertility is the most harrowing journey i think a couple could ever take. If i can write this and just encourage one couple to consider donation then i know my words have been worth it. To all of you sitting thinking about donating embryos i just have to say even to get to the point of thinking and talking about it you are very very special people who could potentially change another couples life forever. I now only hope with all of my being that this new journey will produce our fairytale ending.

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I think you are amazing for thinking about it..

personally I couldn't do it..but then destroying embryos isn't what i would want to do either...so not sure what I would do.
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We are so thankful to have wonderful donors who were willing to embark on this difficult emotional journey. Words can not express how we feel about the gift they are sharing with us. It took a huge amount of courage for all of us to get to this point and they will have a special place in our hearts no matter what the outcome.

I would encourage anyone who is curious about donating or receiving embryos to discuss it with their fertility specialists and to learn more.

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We are in the process of doing this at the moment. We have our second counselling session in a couple of weeks and put our profile in then. After this it is a waiting game until a recipent is found. I just want to be able to give someone else the opportunity to be able to have a child
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I say go for it!

I think giving the gift of family is amazing. When I was in my teens, I always thought I would have my own family and then go on to help others (egg donation, surrogacy etc). Although we are presently having difficulty starting our own family, if I have the opportunity, I would certainly help others to have theirs.
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Hi itchy Feet that is certainly an interesting concept.

However maybe you are worrying about something that will never happen - the case where you would need a spare body part would be one in a million - surely? Also if you didn't donate an embryo, that person wouldn't live, so he would n't have a 'spare' person/donor anyway.

You could have contact as he wants, and there would be rules and regulations around whether that person could/would want to donate so your husband couldn't 'force' them to anyway...(not that he would but maybe you are arguing over details that would never happen anyway).

Wow just go for it, it would be such a great gift to someone.
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We are also debating this same possibility. We were lucky enough to have a son through a fresh IVF cycle and then I am currently pg (90% sure it's a boy again) through an FET due Aug/Sept.
We would dearly love to have a little girl to complete our family so are looking into PGD also.
We will donate any left over embryos after this.

Both DH & I feel that anyone that has been through what we have to be able to have a family will love and treasure that child as we would.
It's a tough decision though and I think although it's great to get other people's points of view, ultimately it's you that has to be 100% ok with the decision you make.

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Hi, I'm very late to this thread, but you might be interested in our story which aired on 60 Minutes this week (1 Dec 2010). My husband and I received embryos donated by another couple who had completed their family through IVF.

It is called "Frozen In Time" and can be viewed here:

http://www.tv3.co.nz/Shows/60Minutes.aspx

Cheers, and all the very best with the process if you have decided to donate.
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Hi teacake, your story is so inspirational. i am struggling to conceive and just about to have my third operation. i understand the immense desire to bring new life into your family and am so happy you have found success. thank you for sharing your story with us and all the best for your beautiful family.
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I saw the 60 mins programme as, amazing story i didn't reliese you could give away complete embroy's in NZ. So that was new learning for us.

I have to go against the grain and say i personally don't believe in it as i couldn't give up my embryo,(baby) but then we didn't want to go down the IVF path. (we struggled for 5 years to have a baby)

But it's a personal decision and i'm not judging anyone just couldn't do it myself.

Good luck to those who do donate and those who give babies up for adopation. I say family doesn't have to be biological.

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Originally posted by chickpea chickpea wrote:

Just wondering how any of you out there feel about embryo donation? I have done IVF and have 2 frozen embryos. Donation is one of our options as we probably will not be using them (have 3 kids) ... I'm just wondering what the public opinion is


Chickpea - I think that it is a wonderful idea, I have seen a couple of adds in books and local papers of couples advertising for eggs/embryo's and it makes me want to donate to them knowing how hard it can be for one simple little miracle to happen

If yah don't need them and are happy to donate them then I say go for it!! (you will make 2 special people very happy)

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Originally posted by teacake teacake wrote:

Hi, I'm very late to this thread, but you might be interested in our story which aired on 60 Minutes this week (1 Dec 2010). My husband and I received embryos donated by another couple who had completed their family through IVF.

It is called "Frozen In Time" and can be viewed here:

http://www.tv3.co.nz/Shows/60Minutes.aspx

Cheers, and all the very best with the process if you have decided to donate.


Teacake - wot a beautiful story - it almost brought me to tears to see your happiness - we are currently waiting for our IVF appointment which is in Nov 2011

It gives you a little bit of hope there

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Teacake, after watching 60 Minutes my husband I were straight away discussing donating any surplus embryo's we have. At the time of screening we hadn't done EC and in the end I only got 3 fertilised eggs. I have had ET of one perfect zygote which I am hoping for a BFP asap!

Because I am nearly 39, and assuming all goes to plan, by the time I have had this first child (again I stress, 'if all goes to plan'), I will be nearly 40. Then if I manage to get pregnant again from one of my frozen embryo's - and I assume I would try again as soon as possible but allowing for about a year beforehand at the longest - I will be nearly 42 by the time I give birth again, and I don't think I would want to try for a 3rd child. Therefore in 'my perfect wee world' I would have a 3rd embryo on ice, and hubby and I would definitely look at donating the embryo, because we have been to hell and back so far on our conception journey and we wouldn't wish it upon ANYONE. To see someone's face when they are told they have been donated an embryo would make us so happy, but also knowing that they want that child just as much as we do would also make us leap at the chance to give someone such joy.
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