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    Posted: 10 March 2010 at 12:13pm
Hey ladies!
I have been in/out of this forum for a while now just checking and seeing how it all works. It looks like a lot of fun and seems very helpful:) My hubby and I have been trying to conceive for 4 months now and it is just not happening - I really thought it would happen sooner than this so I am not impressed lol. As I am in my early 30's already I am not wanting to much around so we have decided to go and get the prelim tests done. We don't want to be told later down the track that something is wrong with one of us and we will kick ourselves for not finding out earlier. Are you ladies able to help me out with where to start? Do we just go to the local GP to get hormone levels tested etc? Scans? Are these immediate or is there a wait for these? So basically, I am wondering how to progress this - Is the local GP the answer or do we need to book in with a specialist?? Your help and advice with this would be much appreciated!! Thanks girlies:)
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Go to your GP first for blood tests, depending on the results of these they may recommend you go for a scan etc.

Have you tried charting. TBH 4 months isn't very long, unless you have some underlying conditions like endo or PCOS, they will probably tell you to come back after 6 months.

Were you on the BCP before TTC, it can take up to 6 months for the pill to exit your system.

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Thanks:) No, no BCP for 5 years as I had complications a few years back. I was advised not to take anything in order to regulate AF. It was very irregular and non existant for a bit.

No, I haven't tried charting yet as it looks pretty damn complicated. I have been trying to pinpoint ovulation times based on mucus, cycle times,and cervix positioning etc etc but I haven't yet got into temp taking or OPKs. I wanted to give it a go without for a while as I know I will become super obsessed and stress is prob not the key to conception.

For piece of mind, I should prob just get the basic tests done but I agree it is prob too early to worry too much. I have heaps of friends conceiving in the first month or two of trying hence the worry and pressure lol
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I'm the same as you and have always said there is no way I'm gonna sit around and wait if it could be something that coud be fixed easy.

I came of BCP in early October and went to see my GP in Feb, she too told me that it is probably a bit early and it is generally recommended to try for 12 months before taking the next step! BUT she was very nice about it and ordered the blood tests for me.

Go to your GP for piece of mind if this is what you want but be aware that you may have to look for a GP who is willing to listen to you and do what you ask him/her for.

I also felt like you in regards to charting - to comlpicated, and I was worried I'd get to obsessive.
Well its actually really easy and fun, but yes I did get quite obsessed with it...
Here we go again, another baby on it's way!
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Have a chat to your GP in the first instance, I really think it is at their discretion whether they order tests now or ask you to wait a bit longer. My gyno said to come back after 6 mths if I'm not up the duff and he will order all of the tests then. I got the impression it was 6 mths rather than 12 because I'm over 30 but I have had scans and a lap anyway because of endo so I'm a bit ahead in that department.

I know what you mean about charting and not wanting it to take over your life. You sound exactly like me I have just started charting but only to track OPKs and CM rather than temping.
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Thanks heaps for your feedback - it is very much appreciated!! Yeah, I think I will book an appt with GP and take it from there. It is just such a pain in the butt as I feel I know the right times etc, but there is no guarantee that I am actually ovulating!? I could have it totally wrong.....For all I know, I could have either PSOS or Endo. Are the symptoms for these fairly obvious? Would I be aware if I have either of these issues or should I get tested for these as well? Thanks again:)
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PCOS and endo aren't things that can easily be tested for, although they do tend to have some pretty good symptoms...PCOS can be indicated by irregular periods, no ovulation, and cysts on the ovaries (seen in a scan). Endo can be indicated by heavy, painful periods mainly, but can't be diagnosed without a laparoscopy (keyhole surgery).

I temped in order to confirm ovulation, because my CM etc was never a clear teller, and it turned out I was actually ovulating later than what I thought...in fact my girls were a fluke because I ovulated 5 days earlier than normal LOL All I did was wake up in the morning, take my temp, then carry on with my day, entering it into Fertility Friend when I had the chance. I never did OPKs though. It meant that I could see from looking at my chart the clear change in temps throughout my cycle.
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Yep, what Minik8e said and on the other side of the coin endo and PCOS don't necessarily mean that you will have problems conceiving anyway. My SIL has PCOS and gets pregnant at the drop of a hat. Easy things to test for will be to make sure you are ovulating via a blood test and to check out your husbands sperm and both of these things can be done via the GP.

As my gyno said even if both of you are 100% it is a roll of the dice each cycle anyway, so 4 months isn't a long time in the grand scheme of things.
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Again thankyou very much for all your help and suggestions:) I feel much happier and more informed.

Little_Red - thanks for being so reassuring and positive. I have been feeling really down and I guess it is the luck of the draw. Maybe next month:)
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Hey there, I know you said you don;t want to obsess etc, and can completely understand that. Mucus, cervical positioning and all the associated blahblah does seem a bit overwhelming. Personally I'd recommend temping alone, like someone said above, as if you are getting the biphasic pattern you know when you are ovulating, and over the months (hopefully not too many of them) you should know pretty much whats happening.
Its really not that big a deal - I set my alarm at 7 (cos I would get up at different times depending on whether work, at school or on weekend) and stick thermometer in gob, then roll over and go back to sleep. the thermom stores the last temp, so I don;t even need to remember it. the secondary fertility stuff, I've only done if I've noticed.

I only started temping in the first place cos I wasn't sure whats going on with my cycle.

Not sure if you know, but the progesterone one at 7DPO (also known as day 21, provided you ov on day 14) will tell you/GP whether you have ovulated for sure.
The day 2 (or 1-4) should look at oestrogen, FSH, TSH and Iron I think, maybe some more too. If your GP can get the full thyroid panel (T3 T4 antibodies and I think, free T4's) that would be good, to rule out hypo/hyperthyroidism, as that affects fertility. The TSH isn't always the most reliable indicator of whether theres anything thyroidy underlying, but not all GP's seem to push for these, and I might be being a bit too pernickety here!
I didn't know any of this stuff a year ago, thats why I'm posting it for you, but if you've been dipping into these forums you might already know it!
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Hi there.....there's not much I can add to what has already been said except that I started charting to be sure that i was ovulating as the thermal shift is the only true indicator that you are ....you can still have AF and not be ovulating. (Im late 30s so was getting worried that maybe I wasnt). A lot of our charting thread girls have realised they were timing things completely wrong till they started charting and not oving when they thought they did.

GL for your journey...hope you get your BFP real soon

oh...and yeah I thought the charts looked completely complicated when someone suggested it to me too, but they are easy and there's lots of support

ETA a clarification of my confusing message lol

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Thanks! You ladies are brilliant - so friendly and helpful:)

OK, I think that I will start the whole charting thing and take temps so I at least know if I am ovulating or not. Is anyone able to help me out with where to start? Is there a website that I can use? Are the charts calculated automatically, or is it a mission and super time consuming?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks again!
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I use fertility friend. not really looked at any of the others so can't compare. It seems lots here are linking to FF charts too. But don;t let that sway you!

FF also have 20 tutorials about charting and your cycle and everything, if you sign up to it when you join, they will email you a tute a day. All free. I would recommend them too, I thought I knew enough about hormones etc, but found this quite useful, even if stashed in inbox for a few days/weeks till you have time to flick through.
They calculate the lines for you, for ov, dotted are probable ov dates (usually just based on temps - when above coverline for 3 consecutive days) and full lines, which I think are when secondary fertility signs correlate with temps. If you know FF has incorrectly dated something, you can override if needs be.
Have you had a look at the charts in Charting Girls thread? If you have a look at mine, thats what the basic/free membership gives you. If you want to pay, you can get like the chart overlays and circle thingys, but I reckon if you wanna do temps only, I wouldn't bother with VIP membership

Its pretty straightforward to use, just input your temps daily, or not. try and take temp same time each day, after 3 hours sleep if poss, so you get your resting temps.
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Morning Girls:)

Thanks again for all your suggestions which in turn helped me make up my mind to go for the initial blood tests. I had the first on CD21 and got the results back today - so super stoaked that progesterone levels were all fine - I am ovulating!! so I guess that is good news so far:) I will do the next on CD2-4 and lets see how that goes. DH is off for his sperm test Saturday so that will be most interesting indeed!;)
Wish us luck and thanks so much
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Hi girls, just thought I'd share some stats I read today.

If you're 25 years old and have absolutely no fertility problems then it will take on average 3-4 months to conceive. As you get older the average time increases.

Also apparently someone with no fertility problems will still only hasve a 25% chance of getting pregnant each cycle even if they are BDing in the peak ovulation period.
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