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    Posted: 19 February 2007 at 4:48pm

Ella's been off her last evening feed for the last 3 nights.  She still needs it - she wakes in the wee small hours if she's missed it - she just refuses to take if from the breast.  No probs with a bottle of EBM, but I only get a little expressed now, so can't see that working long term.  Anyway, last night she again refused, so we got some sachets of formulas to try.  Tried her on a Heinz gold one (not that I think the brand is to blame!), and after chopping it back like a trooper, she dozed off (which Ella doesn't do at the end of a feed), immediately came up in a red rash and hives, they went from her neck to all over, her neck swelled and she had trouble swallowing.  She threw up (thank God) and seemed to breathe easier after that but before the ambulance had arrived she'd started getting wheezy breathing.  She was given steroids at A&E and steadily came right overnight. 

Our little girl is fine now - apart from some marks leftover on her skin from it all she's back to her normal self, and we came home this avo.  What scared me the most was the breathing trouble, swollen neck, and hearing her wee voice all strained and croaky because she couldn't quite get it all out.  I wouldn't want any parent to go through that, and I sooooo wish I'd taken that 'before using this for the first time, consult your healthcare provider' note on the pack seriously.  OK, so we have no family history of food allergies, but crikey the poor girl's made up for that.  And I know no-one expects anaphylactic shock, but it can happen.  Ella now needs an epi-pen prescribed but is too little for the smallest dose, so we have to be hyper-vigilant until she's 10kg.   She'll have RAST test done when she's a year old, and if that comes back OK for milk by then, they want to have her try some on her skin, but only in the hospital.  We seriously didn't see this coming.  So if you're considering trying a formula out, please try it some way other than a full feed's worth for the first time.  Maybe just a little amount, or mix some up and put it on the inside of baby's elbow or something.  But while I still think it's a fantastic invention, be careful that first time. 

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OMG Andie that must have been really scary for you and your family. I hope that little Ella is going to be OK thanks for the warning.
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Hugs Andie - it totally sucks. you can now join the club, as we are getting an epi-pen this week My word of warning - when you start solids make sure she doesnt have any of the other major allergens (egg, nut etc) as she could be allergic to something else (found out today Han is also allergic to egg and ? nut). Also, do you need to cut dairy from your diet if still bfing? pm me if you need any help with anything - am getting pretty good at dairy free diets

Please dont feel guilty (I know I did) as there was no way of you knowing and in some ways at least you know now, as scary as it was. Hugs

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How scary for you guys, especially as wee Ella looks so healthy and happy! I bet it was such a shock!

Sometimes bubbas go off bf when AF comes back (for the week), is that a possibility?
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Poor you guys, how scary! So glad to hear she's ok now and I hope you never have to go through that again.
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OMG Andie. Thats terrible. How awfully frightening that must have been for you all. Big Hugs
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Oh geepers! Glad she is alright now and sorry to hear you had to go through all that Andie - can't have been fun at all
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OMG big hugs to you and Ella glad to hear she's alright now can't of been nice at all




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Hugs Andie - your post gave me goosebumps, coz a few years ago that was me with Maya I didn't even know what the hives were...

If there's anything I can do to help, let me know - it looks like the gremlins are going to have similar issues to their big sister so we can fight this one together with our Oct bubs...
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Andie, how scary for you and Ella. Hope everything is getting better for the both of you.
I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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OMG cant imagine the terror you have been going thru. Glad to hear everything is welll now. Big hugs to you both

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Awww, thanks everyone.  Yep Aimee and Emma - I'll be in touch.  I had been looking forward to Ella trying out different foods in a couple of months time, but am pretty scared about her starting solids now!  The hospital doc advised that she doesn't have any known allergens until she's a year old and after some tests have been done.  Luckily I'd planned to make most of her baby-food anyway!  But it'll be tricky when she's up and about and getting into things, because Ella likes nothing better than shoving things in her mouth for a good chew!  The hospital dietician also commented that we need to keep an eye on her weight, because she's fine for her age, but not for her length.  Plunket had always said that she was just a lean build, and I don't think she looks too skinny so I hadn't been worried.  But now that I think of it, slender builds sure don't come from my side of the family, and while hubby's side are blessed with great metabolisms, they were all apparently very fat babies - to the extent that people (rude people) used to comment that they could do with fewer feeds! 
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Aww chicka i hope that little Ella is better now!! Poor thing and poor you must have scared the bejesus outta you for sure!!!

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oh my freakin god!! how awful for you guys!!

i'm glad ella's doing ok now....how are her night feeds going? i didn't even think of things like that before giving charli formula, so thanks for posting to let everyone know andie

as for her weight....how much does she weigh and how long is she? the plunket lady told me charli was long and could do with more weight on her but i think she's just right and so does the GP. she was 6kgs 63cms on 29/1

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Gosh how scary! Hope Ella is doing fine now. Thanks for the warning{/B]







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Andie the other important thing - very important - is to get the word around in groups you are involved in etc, because all too often biscuits/crackers are passed around to anyone looking interested (so 5 or 6+ months) and a lot of mums mistakenly think if their baby is having it then the healthy-looking one just over there might like one too. It's a mistake I've nearly made quite a few times

Briona had silent reflux and didn't like to feed to sleep - ever. The sucking action was great but sleeping on a full tummy was not. Tummy-sleeping is apparently good if their tummy is unsettled (to do with not stretching the intenstines? as much or something), but that's only helpful if your bubba is old enough for that (Briona wasn't). We ended up doing the controlled crying thing for Bria, it seemed to be the only other option after getting her a dummy. For starters, I would sing/rock/pat her to semi-sleep and then put her in the cot and continue all that stuff until she was asleep. Many long days and nights and I was so glad when the reflux "cured"!

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Teresa, I'm considering a giant sign to hang around Ella's neck when we're out... "please do not feed the baby" but then they never really worked for the monkeys in zoos so I can't see it helping here!  Yeah, I'll make sure all my friends and family know. 

And Vanessa - oh dear... Ella was 6.02kg at her last Plunket check a week ago.  They didn't measure her though.  Last time they did that was at 3 months, and she was 5.52kg and 62cm long.  They weighed and measured her in hospital and I'm stuffed if I can remember the numbers (sooo got no proper sleep) but I could swear they said her length was 70-something... I remember thinking Crikey!  But also, the nurse stretched Ella to measure her.  And I could be wrong on the figure too.  I think I'll pop into Plunket and have her measured and weighed before her next check, as it's 6 weeks before we see the dietician. 

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Hey Andie, Ella didnt look underweight to me today. She just looked like a tall lean baby (total opposite of mine!).
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Is she feeding better at night time now?
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It might help to plot Ella's weight on the WHO graph in the Well Child book Andie. As long as she is following a steady curve and not dropping it doesn't actually matter what her weight/height ratio.

They usually diagnose "fails to thrive" if bubs crosses 2 (poss 3?) percentile lines.

Maya was fails to thrive due to allergies, that was the spin off of my dairy-contaminated breast milk . She crossed from the 97th at birth to the 3rd at 9 mths. She's still only on the 50th for weight, and on the 97th for height so is tall and lean, but she's healthy and I guess that's just the way she was made despite the fact that her Dad and I are both solid to say the least.

I remember feeling like the worst mother in the world that I had caused it, and "fails to thrive" is such a horrible diagnosis, like it implies you've done something wrong, when in fact thats not the case.

ETA: If Ella was 5.52kg at 3 mths and 6.02kg a week or so ago at around 4 mths then that should be fine - she's still gaining around 100g a week

Big hugs - you have noooooo idea how much I feel for you and poor wee Ella!

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