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    Posted: 17 December 2007 at 11:14am
This is driving me mental. We often get comments from people about how 'lucky' we are with Charlotte because she is so well behaved. I know they mean it as a compliment but its really starting to get on my nerves- especially when other parents say it to us. Luck has nothing to do with it, we've worked bloody hard and put in a huge effort to get her to behave the way she does. We put in the hard yards and after stage after stage of rebellion, not listening, tantrums etc and persistance and hard work on our part we have now come out the other side and have this happy well behaved little girl and we're 'LUCKY'???

We went to this Christening the other week and there were all these other children there and the mothers were letting them run around the alter part screaming during the ceremony- Charlotte sat with us quietly (as children bl**dy well should at something like that!) and one of the mothers said to me how lucky we were to have such a well behaved girl. It was only 10 minutes! I know that some children are more strong willed than others and therefore harder to control but she wasn't even trying to stop her daughter from doing it. Today we went on this Christmas steam train ride and as our friends kid threw her 3rd tantrum of the trip they said how lucky we were with Charlotte and it just really annoyed me- they are total jelly fish parents and she is the product of the way they are with her, she knows that if she throws a tantrum they give in and she gets her way. Charlotte knows that if she throws a tantrum not only does she not get what she wants, she loses out on other stuff too. If it were just every so often, I could get over it but these guys in particular say it every single time we see them.

Why can't people just say how good she is? If they were to say 'wow, she was well behaved' then I would take is as the compliment its meant to be- when they say lucky it seems to just take away from our effort and its like its pure chance that we have a well behaved child.

Sorry for the vent, just my pet annoyance at the moment!
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I totally understand where you are coming from. I have had comments about Spencers sleeping but we (me in particular) have worked really hard to ensure that good routines have been put in place and bad habits have not been formed. He was not born a good sleeper he was a terrible sleeper as most people on here probably now because I called out for help more than once. We went to the plunket family centre and a sleep seminar. Behaviour is taught and learnt.

You are not lucky with it, it is earnt and you are rewarded.

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Same here Jen. Am also getting sick of people telling me my second baby wont be an angel like Hannah - gee thanks everyone ...
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Ah yes the "lucky" line ... I laugh at it .. most good things dont come to you in life by pure 'luck' ... they are worked for ... nice car ... worked for ... overseas trip ... worked for ... well behaved children .. worked for ... they didnt just happen by a stroke of luck!

"oh youre lucky" ...

Yes Im blessed ... But Ive earnt it!
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my stepmother always says when people say to her how good Jake and Taine are (they see them for about two minutes and only obviously hear the good parts) that "it isn't luck, it's good managment".
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It's a hard one. I find myself saying that although I don't actually MEAN lucky perse. My little one was soooooooooooooo unsettled for the first 10mths of her life no no obvious reason (i.e. we worked our butts off to do everything "right" but she was still a grizzler) so I would look at other settled babies and say "you're so lucky / blessed to have such a settled kid". I know luck has nothing to do with it but it's just a way of saying, wow, what a happy little bundle you have. I defintely try not to say it though as I can imagine how annoying it'd be.
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Originally posted by BellaBabysMum BellaBabysMum wrote:

Originally posted by aimeejoy aimeejoy wrote:

Same here Jen. Am also getting sick of people telling me my second baby wont be an angel like Hannah - gee thanks everyone ...


AIIIIIIIII i hear you on this one!!!!


dito dito dito!
AND you know what girls, when your second is as good they all say the lucky line twice as much .
Then when second child goes bad and doesn't sleep, they all laugh at you and say things like I'm glad you now live in the real world of children etc.
Then once again, after you have spend hours and hours to get 2nd child into routine and it finally works, they all go back to the lucky you line

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Argh, we get that too, luck doesn't really play too mucha part as much as consistency and temperament of the child. It might take a bit more coaxing to get one child to learn good behaviour more than the other one but that's because you have to take into account you're reminding 2 now instead of just 1, and also each child has a different attitude and temperament.

And i must say Aimmee - even if your second one isnt' the angel.. as long as you keep firm you mostly do get through things anyway because that's the style of parenting. Ayja is far more of a terror in some ways but only because she has that curious streak mixed with a spirited michievious flair, and yes the terrible 2 tantrums are coming thick and fast and yes we are finding her more of a challenge, but at the end of the day - we go to funerals, we go to xmas parties and she sticks near us, doesn't run away and sits quietly when needed to. She had that guff a month ago where she got into stuff, we just stuck with what we always have - The side is back on her cot for her safety really and to catch back up on sleep.

It does take a fair amount of work and there's plenty of times where we still actually don't expect her to behave as well as she does.. (even went to the extent of writing her name and our cell phone number when we went to the xmas party in case she ran away and got lost)just goes to show (annoyingly enough) that even when we think she isn't listening, she is... she just doesn't do it all the time at home.

The thing is, gentle reminders and easy to understand explanations for why this is good and this behaviour isn't.. will go far further than "don't do that!" "hurry up and do this!".. because eventually they learn that inner control themselves. I've always found that with my big sister's kids, she's always just barked orders at them.. and now they are in their early teens and STILL needing a blow by blow account of directions to get them out the door each morning. It drives me bonkers when they stay because I have to give them all these directions when my kids know the routine and just go do it.

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Originally posted by Spudling Spudling wrote:


Then when second child goes bad and doesn't sleep, they all laugh at you and say things like I'm glad you now live in the real world of children etc.
Then once again, after you have spend hours and hours to get 2nd child into routine and it finally works, they all go back to the lucky you line


I always tell myself that people are just jealous and they like to think we are lucky. Another one that used to drive me mad was everyone telling me how lucky I was to be able to breastfeed Hannah, like it just happened and I didnt spend the first 8 weeks bawling my eyes out on the couch trying to make it work. Not to ruffle any feathers about the whole bfing thing, but it really bothered me that all my hard work was taken as just lucky.

LOL Janine, I love your long posts! And you're right, even if they have a totally different temperament they can still be well behaved (esp in public!).
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lol i know i wrote it and posted and thought "god i don't write often but i always write alot!"
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Temperament plays a HUGE part when they are little babies though. I hated it when Elle was a very very unsettled baby and people would assume it was my fault! That is as bad as the "lucky you" comment. Just 'cause your baby is unsettled doesn't mean you're doing something wrong OR failing to do something right OR that you're not working as hard as those with settled babies...
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I must admit when it comes to sleeping we have been very 'lucky' with our girls- both have been really good sleepers with little effort on our part. I think its more about credit where its due- the people who are saying the lucky line to us are people who put in no effort themselves, but think that even though we put in a huge effort its just luck that shes good. If they were putting in a huge effort (even if it wasn't the same style as what we do) and it wasn't paying off then I don't think it would bother me.

For instance she has a really lovely clean tidy home- shes really good at putting colours together and works hard keeping the place clean. I wouldn't think to say she is lucky for having a clean house- shes lucky that she has a tidy DH, mine is a pig hence why my house is never as immaculate as theirs!

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I'm with Janine on this one too, my first born is placid and laid back and is quite quiet when he needs to be, we have been to alot of tangi's/funerals and alot of the time the kids are all outside having a good time with adult supervision but when it is time to be quiet they will all be made to stand still or sit down, as for my two year old terror she is a bit more work but with our style of parenting and following her brothers que she will sit and be well behaved, like ayja she is way more work than her older sibling but very cute and way more outgoing so you have to take that all into consideration, And I don't understand why people say "LUCKY" either hehe
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It drives me nuts too. On Sunday night i'm sure I was told at least 10 times by different people that I was so lucky that Andrew was so well behaved while I was playing in a concert. It was luck, he knows to sit down with the person he is sitting with (that night a family friend) and that they are the person he has to answer to while I play.

Then back at the band rooms he sat down on the chair I gave him with his glass of coke and just sat there talking to me while I ran the bar. There I got the comment you are so lucky that he is sitting there as other peoples children (older children as well) ran riot and were general pains in the butt.

Its not luck Andrew has been taught to be that way. It has take a lot of work.

And the comment about the second that drove me nuts. Hello 2 very different people. I know I have been blessed with good sleepers its not luck I was blessed.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Some people just use the word without actually meaning that they think it is pure chance that your baby is happy or well behaved.

What about...

"Oh, your baby only sleeps for 20mins at a time during the day? You must be rocking them to sleep"...umm, no, she falls asleep independently very easily, she just doesn't stay asleep, something in her system is bothering her and wakes her up.

or

"Oh, your baby grizzles? She must be overstimulated". GAH! No, she isn't.

or

"If your baby is unsettled it is because you are stressed". Grrrr. Not always!

I guess people just mean well most of the time. I think people loosely using the word "lucky" is better than some of the other judgements people can make. Although I DO understand how annoying it can be in some ways.
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I agree with your there Fiona about the word being used so loosely.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Yeah 'cause I use the word lucky from time to time for various reasons BUT I don't believe in luck as such so often just use it for want of a better word. Ironic eh! The english language can be so silly at times.
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Lol, I have the oppostie, when people ask about her AI say rah rah she is great, we are so lucky, and they always say things like - oh no, you must be doing wonderful things/doing something right/working hard etc.

Nah, we are just lucky, cos she is a happy smiley baby like I was! Now, she could have taken after her father, that wouldn't have been lucky at all!
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Jenz, I absolutley agree.  My Brother has the most well behaved kids (I've never thought to call him lucky - I've watched the stress and tanty's it took them to get to this point) and my sis has a horror child.  In this case both are products of their parents!  My sis always says to me you don't know what your in for.....    I know what I'm not going to be in for and that is a nightmare child like she has!  So no doubt she'll one day say I'm just lucky.... 

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I'm with Fiona... I say 'lucky' I don't actually mean it. Maybe I should just think more about what comes out of my mouth... though that seems like wayyyyyy too much effort. I don't actually believe in luck!

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