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    Posted: 28 January 2010 at 6:44pm
Does your dog get along with other dogs it doesnt know????

1 of my dogs jumped the fence this morning to have a go at a dog.....

hes never done this before...
hes never had a prob with other dogs before....
We have 2 dogs so hes not alone!...
hes normally a very calm dog....

and the owner of this other dog often walks past and on as few occasions he has hissed at our dogs (the whole "skiss skiss" noise thing!) ....

DH now wants to get OUR dog put down

have anyone else dog had a sudden issue with a strange dog??????
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I dont have dogs, but that sounds dumb!
when the guy makes that noise, does it make your dog react more? if so, maybe ask the guy to not do that, and explain that it will only make your dog worse? not sure sorry, but didnt want to read and run...
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My dog has recently started taking himself for a walk too. He's only a minature poodle, we live in a new property with sturdy fences. Circus dog much? Anyway, back on topic. We've been down to the local and ordered some trellis to extend our fences. Are you able to do something similar?

It is very possibly just something about this dog thats upset yours,or maybe he was antagonised by the owner. A pitbull (of course that doesn't help his case) that lives locally is known as both an escape artist and a true sweetheart, but she went for me the other day, first time ever, but I had my dog with me. If you generally have no issues I'd just do what you can to prevent it happening again.

Good Luck xox

Edited to add: My FIL made that kind of noise, a short sharp hiss, when my dog was still a pup and very jumpy. When I asked him why, he said that according to Cesear Malan or however you spell his name, it is supposed to settle a dog. I just explained what we were doing instead. Not excusing it by any means, but just a thought as he may not be directly antagonising.

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Our dog gets on with most dogs but some she doesn't. Could be possible that your dog may have been trying to show dominance over this other dog?

Also dumb how that guy makes that noise. Why would he do that? It is only aggravating them.
Maybe as well as asking him to stop making that noise, maybe get him to walk on the otherside of the road.

It is certainly no reason to have your dog put down just for that.

Also I must say that our dog has been much better at greeting other dogs now that I took her to a dog training class.

If it continues to be a problem you could try reading the 'dog whisperer' by Jan Fennell. It is a really helpful book.
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the guy that makes that noise is quite strange and its the noise you make to wind dogs up (we use to do it when we were young bcos it excited our dog!),,

possibly he is iritated by this little dog or the dominance thing..

im so anoyed at DH for straight out saying to get him put down!! he said that he may attack 1 of our kids! ...wev had this dog for 2 yrs (he was 6 weeks old when we got him) and our kids have tortured him with no response from him!

hes a blue merle (sp?) too so not even a dangerous breed!
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Dogs can be a bit like people in terms of just not liking someone can't they? We have had dogs in the past and I remember ours having a real problem with another one, yet loved all other dogs. I guess they just didn't smell right?

I'm sure the idiot other owner doesn't help matters though.. Did the other dog owner demand you put yours down or complain about it or did your husband make the decision himself?
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Put the neighbor down instead


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I'd say that your dog jumped because that man would have made that sound on more than this occasion. The sound would have probably hurt his ears.

One of our old dogs hated any bike because he was teased by kids on bikes. Poor Postie

Is there anyway you can restrict your dogs access to where he jumped the fence?

My dogs hate other dogs going past their property, simply because they are guarding it. They also have no way of getting off. 6 ft fences & deer fence gates but this is more to protect them than stop them getting out. Just because they hate dogs going past does not mean that they will do anything to my kids. But as alway just supervise their play, don't allow them to get to boisterous & make sure that your dog knows where it stands in the family.
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Right. I've trained dogs all my life but I need to know a few things first.

Is your dog male or female? Entire or desexed?
Was the other dog is jumped the fence to get to physically larger that your dog?
What breed of dog is yours?
Have you done any obedience classes with your dog?


Don't be too hasty to put your dog to sleep. There could be a very simple remedy to this problem, especialy if the person walking past has been "skiss, skiss"ing at your dog.
A swift "oi, noddy, F*&% OFF" may well deter the person from doing this again in future.



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We had a golden male desexed lab that wouldnt hurt a fly but... he was a dominant dog by nature. There was one dog (one of those HUGE collie looking things, like st bernard size but something else... gah cant remember but pony sized dog) and every time our boy saw this dog he would attack it.

Murphster wanted to be pack leader and this guy by size alone was pack leader....

The only other time he was aggressive was the day I got home from my d&c and a lady delivered flowers.. man i thought he was going to break our door down (bless him protecting me).

If its out of character I personally wouldnt want to be rushing off to the vet. But can undertand your mans concerns!


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we have two dogs...one of them goes off at the fence to most people...reason mainly is cause when we moved here there was one neighbour similar to yours and some idiot pre teen girl up the road who would go past "barking" at the dogs thru the fence...that was until I threatened to let them out to eat her!!!

If I know the kids are / or have been teasing them and are going past I open window or door and yell "cut it out" - kids get damn fright and usually those ones never do it again...and dogs get fright too!!! Hey I could be yelling at either right?

Tell your neighbour to stop or you will report them to the police and / or SPCA for harassment and cruel behaviuour to animals - remind them of todays front page of NZ herald and tell them they will be viewed in much the same way! thats the kind of response I gave the dog hater over the road when he reported MY dogs - oh I think the mention that I might call him a paedophile in public made him stop teasing my dogs too! heck tit for tat when it comes to my (fur) babies!!!

and as for DH - does he really want ME to come down there and get on his baack about the dog!!! Heck its not the dogs fault....if he wants to train it better go to classes etc...and make HIM the masters voice (as in he does the classes!!!) - that might train them both!!! BTW my old girl grazed Ella on weekend...Ella gave her a fright and she is old and half blind and deaf....well even after my child getting scared witless and a grazed chin I would NEVER consider putting her down for that....that is extreme...worst case rehouse if you must!
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Yumi - no that guy said "nah dont worry ay hes just doing his job ay"....

Kel - he is usually in the dog run bcos the 2 dogs get up to so much mischeif!

lol Kelly! and Ro you may need to come sort him out (and remember you promised to take Astin home too! ).

Mum2Mac - Is your dog male or female? Entire or desexed? HES A HE AND HES ENTIRE.
Was the other dog is jumped the fence to get to physically larger that your dog? IT WAS A TINY LITTLE HANDBAG DOG!
What breed of dog is yours? HES A BLUE MERLE KELPIE.
Have you done any obedience classes with your dog? NOP....
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Originally posted by Flake Flake wrote:


Edited to add: My FIL made that kind of noise, a short sharp hiss, when my dog was still a pup and very jumpy. When I asked him why, he said that according to Cesear Malan or however you spell his name, it is supposed to settle a dog. I just explained what we were doing instead. Not excusing it by any means, but just a thought as he may not be directly antagonising.


Sorry, just wanted to say, the noise Cesar uses is a "shhh"ing noise rather than the "skiss skiss" noise. And it is used in conjuntion with body language. On it's own it's pointless.
But yeah, I suppose the guy COULD have been trying to utilse that?


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Originally posted by BaAsKa BaAsKa wrote:

hes a blue merle (sp?) too so not even a dangerous breed!


Sorry, a blue merle what? Blue Merle is a colour, not a breed. Border Collie, Australian Cattle dog/Blue heeler, Great Dane...all these and more can be blue merle.

ETA: Whoops, just read your reply. so blue merle kelpie. Righto

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I must say it sh*ts me the kids who think it's funny to rile up dogs through fences.

I've had that with neighbours kids now we have drive way down the side of us. Me calling out "I can see you" makes them crap themselves.

Amber, your dog wasn't herding the other dog???
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Step one would be to get him into obedience classes. EBOP dog club is great and have some really wonderful trainers there. You could even get into a bit of Agility with him if it takes your fancy.

I really rate obedience classes, it gets your dog working with you and for you, it also works their social skills and teaches them to respond to you in even the most distracting environments (like the guy walking past the fence)

Give it a whirl. Take both your dogs in fact. And get the whole family involved in it. It's also great for teaching kids how to work with dogs. Who knows, one of your kids might really take to it and decide they want to do Agility or something as a sport. Thats how Chelsea Marriner (NZ's Got Talent) started out, at age 3.


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No good vet would ever put a dog down just for that. If you guys really can't trust the dog take him to a dog shelter where he can be adopted by another family
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Originally posted by ToniLT ToniLT wrote:

Maybe as well as asking him to stop making that noise, maybe get him to walk on the otherside of the road.


Are you serious? Everyone has the right to walk along the footpath without dogs jumping out at them.

I was bailed up by a neighbour's pig dog when I was a kid and it was terrifying. I was with my little sister and I lifted her up a tree but didn't have time to then climb up after her. I'm still scared of dogs I don't know because of it. (And no, I hadn't been antagonising it at all, it wandered into our backyard where we were minding our own business).

Also, how many dog attacks are by family pets who'd never hurt anyone before? I think your DH has a point personally. Maybe don't go rushing off to the vet just yet, but Carin is right that it needs to be retrained. And I'd look at securing your yard so getting out is not possible.

I hate hate hate the idea of rehoming him if retraining isn't a go. I used to live in a small town where such dogs would get sent if it wasn't safe to keep them in the city. This was before the pig dog incident, and even so it was scary walking home from school. In my opinion kids/sheep/cats etc in small towns are just as valuable as kids/cats in cities and deserve to be just as safe from dogs.

Thats my thoughts anyway
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I have a lab who is the most docile, placid dog you could ever meet, she wouldn't hurt a fly. Over the past 6 months she has developed a dislike towards two dog breeds - bichon frise and schnauzer, I don't know why, she just doesn't like them. In the dog park she will go for one if she sees it, not biting it, just pushing it down on the ground and going crazy, but she LOVES all other dogs and plays nicely with them. Some dogs don't like some other dogs, it doesn't mean they are dangerous.

Everyone else has covered the points well in regards to training and it is also your responsibility to ensure that your dog can't escape your property.

I volunteer at a dog shelter on the weekends and all to often I see dogs who have been rejected by families for various reason, mainly because they don't invest the time and effort into them (i'm not pointing the finger here). These dogs are all wonderful, are treated well and 99% of the time they are rehomed. I would recommend this as an option if you make the decision that you don't want to keep the dog.
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Just wanted to make one more point.
Kelpies, as I am sure you are aware, are a working dog. So they NEED to work, it's an absolute necessity.
I'm not saying go buy some sheep and let him herd them, but doing things like obedience and Agility with him is a form of work and will occupy his brain.
You'll probably find he'll be a lot happier and more settled as well.

 

Oh if you can't afford to buy any trelicing to make you fence higher, try running an electric fence wire across the top. Often the sound of the fence is enough to deter the dog from trying to jump.
All 4 of our dogs are kept in our backyard with solely electric fences (well there are tin fences on the outer perimiter of our property, but we keep themin an area of the yard with an electric fence) and we've never had an escape yet.

 

ETA: I can get the contact details for the EBOP Dog Club if you want them as well. Just PM me.



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