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    Posted: 21 October 2010 at 9:54am
The Deputy Principal at DS2 school rang last night to request a meeting regarding my 5yrs old as they say he has "Behavioural Problems"

She gave me the 2 examples of the "Behavioural Problem" ...They both happened when he gave news in his class...#1 was He said he lived in Christchurch...#2 was he said he road a motorbike to school...

I don't consider these "Behavioural Problems"

Why did the teacher not say...well that's an interesting story, but how did you really get to school? or do you know someone who lives in CHCH..Why make it into an issue.

Their teacher left to have a baby a few months ago & the new teacher is the total opposite. It has been hard for a few kids & parents to adjust to her.

Several parents have had issues with her, one being the kids were not allowed to go to the toilet during class time. I complained about this along with a few other parents.

He no longer gets homework. He comes home with a reader which I have to sign in a note book that he has read it. I forgot to put it in his book bag when she took over & she pulled me up after school & told me to make sure it is returned everyday as she will write notes in it for me..she never has so far.

I don't understand why there is an issue with this...am I missing something?

He is a fun full of life 5yr old, the middle child & bright...I don't want him to have his creativity & imagination squashed ...what do I do..
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i think you need to find out if those are the only incidences or if it is a common thing. If he is doing it all the time then it could be a problem. I would go to the meeting find out what the school has to say and then approach it from there. Also do you know when his teacher will be back, or is he going to change teachers anyway at the start of next year? It may be something that you just keep an eye on for the next couple of months until school is over.
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This is the only incidents & no other problems.

I put the 2 stories down to the earthquake in CHCH, they have been talking about it. Also his uncle came to visit recently & he races motorbikes.

He will have a new teacher next yr. If he was to get this one again I would step in & have her changed.

In the class they had 1 boy who was a bully & 1 who flashed the girls & tried to get them to flash back I call them "Behavioural Problems"


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Sounds more like normal childhood imagination than behavioural problems to me.
I'd say the teacher was the one with the problems!
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Originally posted by Little_Red Little_Red wrote:

Sounds more like normal childhood imagination than behavioural problems to me.
I'd say the teacher was the one with the problems!


ha ha..thanks LR.

I told a friend & she said at her sons school they would say he is a great story teller, lol & encourage it in his writing...
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I don't have older kids, but am from a teaching family and doesn't sound like behavioural issues to me!

My Mum used to teach new entrants, one kid came to school and told everyone during news that his Dad was in hospital with a broken leg. Dad was the BOT chairperson so the teachers did a whip around for some flowers. When Mum turned up at their house Dad was having his lunch right as rain! Mum still laughs about it.

Sometimes they just want to have exciting news.
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Originally posted by millymollymandy millymollymandy wrote:

I don't have older kids, but am from a teaching family and doesn't sound like behavioural issues to me!

My Mum used to teach new entrants, one kid came to school and told everyone during news that his Dad was in hospital with a broken leg. Dad was the BOT chairperson so the teachers did a whip around for some flowers. When Mum turned up at their house Dad was having his lunch right as rain! Mum still laughs about it.

Sometimes they just want to have exciting news.


ha ha, that is so funny...

I am wondering if he is trying to compete with the other kids news in class...
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I always get told that one of my news stories at that age was telling everyone mum was pregnant when she wasn't. She was getting congratulated and didn't know why.

Its completely normal
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My kids have come out with all sorts of weird things at school news time!!
I think I had our youngest DD about 4 times according to oldest DD I kept getting congrats txts then I'd show up at school to pick her up still pregnant!

I think you can tell when lying as opposed to 'storytelling'
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Ummmm That is completely normal for a 5 year old! You should have heard the porky my 6 year old told my Mum last weekend!!

Also the only home work we get is a reader every night & also a list of spelling words each week. There is a new initiative out that kids don't have homework especially at this age so they have time to be kids at home.

Some kids are stopped from going to the toilet as they can make a habit of just going all the time. It does disrupt the class & it starts a run of kids going to the toilet.

I'm actually a bit astounded that they consider those behavioural problems...when you go in for a meeting ask if they encourage an imagination & independant thinking in their children. What on earth do they call bullying then??
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Oh FFS , hes a 5 year old kid with a brilliant imagination, boo to those who are trying to restrain it.
As he gets older there will be plenty of times for him to learn when its ok to embellish a story, and when he should speak the truth, atm, at his age he is not saying it to be naughty, he is saying it cos its fun.

C used to tell some whoppers, she told the teacher we were adopting a 16 year old girl, she told the teacher she had to wear glasses , etc etc, her teacher knew she was full of sh*t but would just say "really Caitlyn, wow thats interesting ! " , as C's gotten older shes learnt when its ok to use your imagination (eg story writing ) and when you need to be more honest.






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if thats behavioural issues then I've got big problems... in B's sample book that he brings home at the start of each term, he had designed a new flag, and stuck a kangagroo on it... his reasoning was that he was half new zealand and half australian... noone in either of his families came from australia, except his dads brother who moved over there a couple of years ago!

Is this teacher new to teaching, fresh out of teachers college, and doesnt have much understanding of how rampant a childs imagination can be? B's first teacher was like that and she was ALWAYS sending him to principals office for silly little things, luckily this years teacher is a bit older and more relaxed, and knows when hes just 'being a boy' and when enough is enough. He has definitely improved with this one, his schoolwork has caught up and surpassed expectations, and he still has his wild imagination! We encourage it by giving him a book, pencils and crayons etc and letting him go for gold
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I would definitely disagree to those 2 things being behavioural problems!!  I remember telling the class one day in news it was my birthday that day, just so I could get the happy birthday song and get some attention...... even though it was late in the year and my birthday's in Feb... and another time I 'stole' my sister's cabbage patch kid and took it to school for the day cos all my classmates (girls) were having a cabbage patch doll day and all brought their ones along, and i never once mentioned it wasn't mine but told them it was..

 

I think it's the teacher's who has behavioural problems by the sound of it.

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i would go to the meeting with an open mind - i'm assuming you havent been already - and just see what has to be said...    let them lay it all on the table. when they have finished ask them what their solutions are if they havent supplied any then tell them you want them in writing and once you have processed the situation you will make another meeting to discuss it further... and if you can do all this without cracking up laughing at how ridiculous it all is then you deserve a medal...!!!!

if this the only problems they are bringing to your attention then maybe you might want to look at another school. One that understands children perhaps!

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Yea... if I didn't know you, I'd assume you were fudging things a little to make your son sound better, or misinterpreting what the teacher was saying. Because how can anyone who works with kids see a couple of tall tales as behavioural issues? Since I do know you, I just think the teacher must have some issues of their own!!

I like Bizzy's advice. Go with an open mind, ask them for their opinions, and take some time to think about how to respond. I wouldn't be at all stressed if my kid was telling a few tall stories - although I'd probably explain to him that there's a time and a place for it, I thought that was pretty much a kid thing! Like has been said, he's just got a good imagination.

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ooh ooh even better go to the meeting and halfway through say "can we hurry this up? Im supposed to be catching a flight to London tonight, Im having lunch with the queen tomorrow , she hates when im late,silly oldLiz "





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thats so sad! I think you should go and meet with the principle and teacher and discuss your concerns.

Make sure your DS has heaps of time to develop his amazing imagination at home
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just take kelly with you, it sounds like she will sort them out!

but seriously i agree with Bizzy and Hopes, go in open minded and let them lay it all on the table. then go from there
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I am amazed that both the deputy principal and the teacher thought a good imagination = behavioral problems

You (and they!) need to read the book "Olivia saves the circus" - Olivia tells a clearly made up story to her class and afterwards the teacher says "is that true?"
"Quite true" says Olivia.
"All true?"
"Quite all true."
"Are you sure, Olivia?"
"To the best of my recollection."
I have limited experience with 5 year olds but I can imagine my precocious, imaginative 5 year old niece saying that!
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Im a primary school teacher and until I left I taught a class of year 0-2s, mainly 5 year olds. We did news every day and I would say 90 per cent of the news that the kids gave me was not true. They would say things like that last night they went to the beach, the pool, the park, then had dinner then went back to the beach again (in the middle of winter). Or they would say they went to Australia in the weekend, etc etc I knew that most of the time they weren't telling the truth but the most important part of telling the news was getting the oral language practice, practice in talking to eachother and presenting their news to the class and gaining confidence, so I didn't shut them down on it unless it was really outrageous. But I would never in a million years have reported that kind of behaviour to a DP or considered it to be a problem at all. That's what 5 year olds do!!! I am really shocked that the DP even thinks its a behavioural problem. If the teacher has issues with it then she needs to deal with it with him by encouraging him to tell the real news as you said.

I would definitely be questioning why this is such a problem when you have the meeting with her. It's not a problem, it's a 5 year old thing and it's on the teacher to handle it in any case. Find this so unusual and not fair on you or your boy.

Re the homework I just wanted to say though that I didn't give my kids homework, only reading books, reason being because I felt until they had reading and writing secure, there wasn't a lot of point in extra homework and reading skils really are the most important thing at that age. Different teachers have different approaches in that regard but I found the readers only worked best for me. I did teach in a low decile school where the parents didn't often help with homework so that did come in to it, but generallyI wouldn't worry too much about that.

Re the toilet thing Im quite sure that the principal would not like that it's a health risk and highly unusual at that age because quite frankly you don't want to end up with a puddle, and most teachers of 5 year olds have learnt this the hard way at some time or another.

The only way to get issues resolved is to try and raise them with the teacher or DP. I really do hope they take them on board.

Don't worry, there is nothing wrong with your boy, he's just got a great imagination :)
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