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    Posted: 01 June 2007 at 6:21pm
I am just wondering what others thoughts are about this and the mercury energy issue with them cutting off their power.

I think over tiredness is making me a little short fused on the issue and tonight on the news Helen Clark said that there had to be accountability by Mercury energy. My question is this, why doesn't there have to be accountability for the Muliaga family for not paying their bill?
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Thank you for saying what I've been thinking too! I thought pregnancy would make me softer, not harder! I think the whole thing is a crock. Man, i am getting hard. I mean it is sad that it happened. but what did her family do for 2 hours? Watch her get worse????? If that was your baby, you'd be calling an ambulance and getting help. Worry about complaining once you got the person to safety.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this!!!!

The only thing I thing the company could have done better was when the tech went to turn it off and found out power was needed for her medical equip, maybe they could have come up with a deadline of another week or something for her/her family to pay the bill.

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Totally agree with you all, I have had enough of the media frenzy, pay your bill or your power gets cut off -end of story (sorry I sound like such a heartless b**tch)!! But come on, I have to pay my bills every month without question!

IMO the family is responsible for failing to provide for her.
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It is a really interesting issue - over on EBB the debate has got somewhat heated and a bit personal, so I hope that doesn't happen here!

I am afraid that I have to agree with you guys. I think it is really, really sad that the woman died, I think that it is awful that she told her son no to call the ambulance which would have kept her alive.

I also don't think that blame should go onto the contractoer - they would hear so many lies in sob stories when they go to cut power off, why would they beleive another one?

After what was reprorted tonight, I now feel some blame needs to go on to the family church (if blame is being apportioned to those involved in the bill not being paid). The family was giving money to the church, but couldn't pay their power bill! The church (all churches) should make it clear to their flocks that the coverage of basic needs comes before any contribution to the church.
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A tragic situation yes, but I personally don't feel that Mercury Energy is to blame either. The technician, maybe, in terms of making the wrong moral decision (but he denies being told of the oxygen machine, so that is hearsay). Then there is the fact that the mother complained of breathing difficulties and when her son said he would take her to hospital she refused and died at home 2 hours later. Her doctor said that her condition did not require 24 hour oxygen and that in fact 2 hours was sufficient time for her to go to the hospital. I mean, it's not like Mercury wouldn't have been trying to collect the money for a while - they don't just cut the power off as soon as a payment is missed. I certainly wouldn't rely on free power out of the goodness of a large power company's heart if I had a family member using medical equipment.

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I don't want to get too involved, but I am glad that we are all on the same track! I just can't get over the fact tht her son wanted to call an ambulance and she said 'no', if he was that worried then they should have rung anyway. Almost has nothing to do with Mercury Energy

My workmates ended up at war with each other yesterday over it, it seems to have gotten really personal.
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Its a very interesting situation for me as i have seen loved & lost someone who was using "the machine" at their home for over a year. I know how much it costs to use & yes it does get expensive etc etc blah blah blah.... however

I agree the family is responsible & nobody else.

There is always help out there if you ask- it shouldn't have got this far out of hand????
And there is always an ambulance- once again to much pride or whatever to ask for help i think.
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Yeah I agree.
At first I was annoyed with the power company until I sat there and thought about it for a while, 2hrs was more than enough time to get to a hospital and Power is always a priority bill along with rent and food, well in my house it is anyway.
I think mercury were very generous in giving them the $10,000 for funeral costs etc.
There is help for low income families if they ask for it, all they needed to do was explain their situation to mercury and I bet they wouldve been very understanding and organised soemthing. JMO.
I do feel for the family though it is hard to lose a family member.
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their are two sides to every story , and my dad actually works at mercury energy and he has told me some interesting things ,(btw he wasnt the contractor nor did he send him to that particular job !!!) but i probably am not allowed to mention them

But i do agree with everyone, im sorry but if my mum was dying in front of me,even if they did say "dont call i dont want to be a burden" id say "sod off mum, you already have something to help you breathe they will want to come help you ...it is what ambulance workers do"
and another thing , does anyone remember last year when the power went off in auckland for 3 hours ? why arent those machines equipped with batteries or something in case the power fails?
I know the family is hurting and as is often the case they want to find someone to blame for their loss, but it seems like everyone is just too eager to blame the big "evil " corporation.

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I disagree with the earlier comments. I've worked with Work and Income and subsequently with people in West Auckland below the poverty line for over a decade. The Muliaga family were paying their bills and had made part payments towards them over the past months. Before Mrs Muliaga became ill they were paying all of their bills on time and successfully raising a large family on a low income. Mrs Muliaga had completed qualifications at the University of Auckland and was a positive example for her family. The tragedy that is highlighted with this case is not just about the miscommunications - I don't think anyone can be certain of what was or was not said. The absolute tragedy is that this family was in need and did not know where to get help at one of the many steps along the way that could have stopped this. The DHB has said that letters were available to give power companies but didn't. I know for absolute certain that there is assistance available through Work and Income that would have loaned them money for the power bill. Mercury Energy have said that there are steps in place. The churches in the community have said that they could have helped. In hindsight, there are so many places for help. However, pride and a larger society that says that you should fend for yourself and not be dependent on others meant that these steps were missed. I dare say, when she told her son not to phone an ambulance sooner she was thinking about the $70 that St Johns would charge to take her to hospital, and how that money needed to go on the power bill or for the children. She wouldn't have thought for a second that she wasn't going to make it. This whole case is an absolute tragedy. And while $170 doesn't sound like much, and definitely doesn't sound like it's enough to cost a life, for many, many families in our community, $170 may as well be first division lotto. This is a responsible, hard working family that has suffered an incredible tragedy. I'm positive that every member of that family and their extended family is haunted by the thought that they could have skipped paying the rent (risking eviction) and saved their wife/mum/aunt's life. AND BEFORE ATTRIBUTING BLAME TO THE FAMILY OR ANYONE ELSE - I DON'T THINK ANYONE, INCLUDING THE FAMILY MEMBERS HAD ANY IDEA THAT THIS COULD HAVE POSSIBLY HAPPENED.

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fair points emeldee it is a tragedy that a series of misfortune resulted in this happening, whether is was cultural, financial etc. Maybe it highlights some problems in our society. BUT.....I dont think blaming Mercury Energy is the answer and I think the media is making a killing out of this and Helen Clark should learn when to say "no comment".
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I don't think Mercury Energy is to blame either. If she needed power that bad the should of some kind of back up supply b/c lets face some power cuts last more than 2 hours as well. I do feel sad for the family though I think it's more bad timing than anything as by what one of the doctors said it sounds like she wasn't going to be here much longer so bit more of a coincidence I think




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I realise there is a whole pride issue going on with asking for help, because I know there is alot of help out there if you ask for it. I don't really think it's fair to blame mercury either. I am getting really sick of it being dredged out int he news all the time, now the politicians are all wading in point scoring. yes it is sad, but the reality of the situation is you want power, you pay your bill. Before you pay your church. I see they were drip feeding it, which is great, because some is better than none, but why didn't they ring the power company when the power had ben shut off to say hey whats up?
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Also, what is up with the man from mercury's awful cheap suit???
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I don't know what to think of the pride issue when the family has now set up a bank account for people to pay donations into..
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apparently these machines come with advice as to what to do if your power fails etc...not sure if they chose to ignore that or not. also these machines used to come with information as to who to let know if you had debts etc...esp power etc...as far as i am aware after talking to someone who works in that field these machines set up allow power companies and the like to take this into consideration....

so did the family take all that advice from the day they got the machine or did they just ignore it. I know it is difficult for some island (or non NZ) people but that advice is given for a reason with such machines.

why did winz not step in then too and advise the power company etc? we step in and advse companies that we hold monies that are being negotiated between people and ask them to hold off debt collection and it works...why didnt someone assist in this case...???? the media was informed pretty quickly....surely those persons could have done something about this situation before too?
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Originally posted by pepsi pepsi wrote:

I don't know what to think of the pride issue when the family has now set up a bank account for people to pay donations into..


how fricken terrible!!!!
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Donations???? OMFG!!! sorry but that just made me sick!!

UMMM hello??!?! Totally shameless & damn getting away with it.



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Thank god i am not the only person who thinks this. By the way the media are playing it up and everyone is carrying on I thought I was being a heartless b*t*h! All I keep thinking is TWO HOURS, they had two hours to get help. Yes it was a tragedy and yes I feel sorry for the family but you can't hold the power company accountable when once again they had two hours.

You do make some good points emeldee but I agree with the question that pepsi raised regarding the bank account. And an ambulance fee is able to be paid off. If one of my family members so desperately needed an ambulance I wouldn't give a rats if they could afford it or not I'd just get one. There are possibly faults in both camps, and if anything a lesson should be learnt but not at the further expense of either parties.

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