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    Posted: 24 October 2007 at 10:59pm
when the twins are born. i know very very lil about these things and am wanting to be convinced.

is it really cheaper?
does it create much extra washing?
how exactly do they work?

any hints or advice or any other information........
Natasha Jayde, 1-01-05(7lb3oz)
Caroline Elisabeth, 9-04-08 (4lb15oz)
Izabella Kate, 9-04-08(6lb7oz)
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well, I am still quite a newbe on MCN but what I have discovered so far is.
Yes it is cheaper BUT it is only cheaper if you can control yourself from buying more and more and more nappys, not cos you need them but just cos they are so damn cute!
Yes, it does create extra washing, BUT I think I probaby do 1-2 loads extra a week which I wouldn't have done and my daily wash is now a 3/4 load not a 1/2, so not really that much different.
I hardly ever used my drier but have found I have had to now with our wonderful Taranaki wet spring

There are 4 main different types of nappies and I have tried 3 of them. My fav is pockets, then prefolds then all in ones (AIO's) go to snazzipants.co.nz snd she is lovely and explains all the differnt types really well.
Also mothersinstinct.co.nz is a great site for friendly advise and heaps of col nappies to buy

Personally really glad I changed to MCN's, wish I had with DD No1 from the begining.
Also, I would recomend to buy just one or two nappies of each type or brand and use them to see what suits you best. I know some people love AIOs but personally I am glad I only got 2 as I much prefer my pockets and prefolds.

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I was a late convert - converting when Jake was over 2 and taine was 3 months I think. the main reason i did was i worked out how much i was paying in disposables - which was about $60 a month (and that was getting cheapies) - then figured if I bought a set of fuzzis, after 4 months, i had effectively paid them off. so got a set of medium, and a set of large and xtralarge mixed. we have 12 and although sometimes it would be good to have more, i find since i do washing everyday anyway, not too bad. one thing is that we have a front loader - the washing takes AGGGES, so i always put the nappies on when shortland street is on, and try to dry a few on the hot water cylinder overnight. Bought disposables over the weekend as awe were going away and was surprised at how expensive it was - and a pain when you suddenly realise you don't have any - quick trip to the four sqaure for a $20 10 pack of treassures.
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Yeah they do work out cheaper, we had a bit of a nappy disaster at the start, $400 of one type of nappy that didn't work for us, first he was too small so we had to wait until he was about 8 weeks for them to fit, then apparently I had been using the wrong washing powder etc etc. So I got the hump and demanded my money back and decided that we would just use disposables. Cos of all the leakage issues we have been having to change his nappy his clothes and his bedding all the time so the amount of washing was ridiculous. But then I stopped bfing and the cost of formula as well as disposables was just crazy so we decided to give cloth a go again. This time I got one nappy to try, a one size pocket and it worked so I got a few more and I also got a fitted nappy and cover to try and now have two of those that I use when out and about as they are a little more reliable (can get about an extra hour out of them).
I have to do one load of nappies a day because I only have a small number of nappies, but our washing machine is really energy efficient so it doesn't cost much.

Yeah there are loads of different types and brands it can get really confusing, some people love one type and others hate it.
There was a thread around explaining all the different types, I will have a look and will bump if I find it.
I think it is partly trial and error to see what will work for your babies, the nappy shop I used had some trial and some rentable packs, might be worth going down that track to find out what works, or making sure that they come with a money back guarantee if they don't work so that you don't end up with nappies that you can't use.

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I started with MCNs at 8 days old (basically when we got home from hospital). I started with prefolds and snazzipants fleece wrap (newborn size fitted him well and he was a skinny wee thing....its just starting to look a little small on him now at 9 weeks). These were really cheap. $110 got me a pack that has pretty much lasted us through till I started using pockets. I found pockets didnt fit well on little ones. Now I am loving pockets!!!! AIOs dry too slowly for me,except the bubblebubs ones that are also the cutest thing around.

I find even with the odd slip-up on a website it is still cheaper than sposies would be and really handy because you dont run out.

I tend to store them up through the day and put a load on early in the morning (currently straight after the 4am feed). I have put a load on in the evening andfind the pockets dry really fast on a clothes rack and the heated towel rail dries the inserts overnight.

I second the suggestions of checkin out snazzipants and mothers instinct. Both really helpful.
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They are absolutely cheaper, the less you buy the more often you'll be doing washing though. We have 15? mediums between our two youngest (both full-time in nappies) so we have to wash every 24 hours pretty much. But I find that easier for routine. I found the small sizes worked out similar in price to getting disposables (because bubbies often fit them only for a few months) but got them anyway on the basis of having more kids. The medium sizes fit for ages and ages! Briona and Kryssi are BOTH in mediums. 15 nappies probably cost me around $500ish (brands vary in price). If I was buying two packs of nappies a week, I would pay the same amount every 9 months

Have a browse through this section, there is heaps of talk about convincing and then what to try. It took me a while to get a handle on the washing rules and containing leaks etc, but it's not too difficult!
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Since ya said convince me to go cloth!! im guna be different say sposies all the way- hehe

Sposies will probably outlive your Little ones, sitting in a sticky ol landfill for a very long time..

Cloth will waste a lot of water, unless you hook up grey water recycs And its water that is guna be the major problem for our little ones come 2050

And yep they'll be a lot of washing!! My mt washmore cant take cloth fulltime or it may become a cloud piercer

You cant win can ya? Either way you will destroy the earth!!
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Glow I beg to differ - read here for enviro info on cloth nappies and here to read the myths of cloth nappies.

Tashzmum - If you're already popping into the Cloth forum I think you're half way there to being convinced
Cloth can save you heaps, for your twins you'd probably need 18 or so and they would pay themselves off very quickly with twice the amount of use

There will always be more washing than before you had kids, so it's really just an extra load on top of the 2-3 you'll be doing. The amount of power & water used to wash your MCNs is still less than that used in the production of a disposable nappy
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That made me lol, is too true, no one can actually tell you which one is environmentally better

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I'd say sposies are more problematic for the environment than cloth. With the extra water. We only add 6 or 7 nappies to our daily load. That doesn't take up much space. It's still the same amount of water if I had cloth or not because it's still a full load of washing either way. The amount of products and water that goes into making sposies is a lil silly and then there is the landfill effect as well.

Even my hubby is a cloth convert. He hates immunisation time as we have to use sposies for a couple of days as Daniel reacts real bad to them and doesn't like the elastic on cloth against his skin and DH bitches and moans every time just cause of sposies. We both also find that sposies stink more than cloth!
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Originally posted by Glow Glow wrote:



Sposies will probably outlive your Little ones, sitting in a sticky ol landfill for a very long time..



and there is your main reason for going cloth!!!!
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I read an article as well that said that they think disposables could be the cause of increased male infertility because of the scrotal heat of wearing disposables.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2007 at 9:28am
yep i like to stir Difference is great. Still anal about water tho hehe literally!!

maybe infertility would be a good thing, no more children being brought up in a dying world, we borrow it from them, not inherit it!!

There will always be people using sposies as long as they sell them- just like all the other bad schitt out there, take it off the selves, make it illegal & there wont be a problem!!

Imagine trying to do your washing with an ol agitator? And a hobbit clothesline
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water wise ...

dont forget how much water is used in the manufacture of sposies, not to forget bleach and other nasties...!!!

For me i have one child full time in cloth and one who wears one night nappy...and i do a nappy wash every two or three days and it is always a full load. I very rarely use the dryer for my nappies prefering a drying rack in winter (esp for the pockets which take no time to dry) and the hot water cupboard to help them along.

Now the other thing that mostly puts me off sposies is the chemicals that sit in close proximity to my babies bum...and how disgusting does a sposie look when it is full and falling down around a childs knees??? you dont get that with cloth cause they are the same size wet or dry.
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sorry to rant on about the enviro issues - But this is what I have in my Agent pack to pull out when people question the benefits of cloth nappies (covers enviro, health and cost)


Quoted from Scoop 14 May 2004 - Green Party Zero Waste Spokesperson. MP Mike Ward

"Once in the ground disposables reportedly take at least 75, and possibly as long as 500, years to break down. 1.3 million trees and over half a billion cups of crude oil per year go into making the disposable nappies used in New Zealand. Disposables use 90 times more renewable materials and eight times more non-renewable resources than cloth nappies and the energy to make one disposable would wash 200 cloth nappies. Disposable nappies are clearly an environmental disaster.
"And they don't come cheap. Parents using cloth nappies save up to $1500 per year or $30 per week.
"The modern design of ready folded and shaped nappies take the chore out of fitting and cleaning. Nappy liners are re-usable and flushable which means mess is easy to remove from the nappy and with washing aids such as soaks, nappies can always be sanitised and white. There are also a number of nappy laundering services, which provide affordable washing care.
"Wearing cloth nappies could also be better for babies' health. There have been no long-term studies into the effects on skin of constant exposure to the polyacralyte super-absorbent gels found in most disposable nappies, but which were deemed unsafe and removed from tampons in 1985.
"Over the course of their lives, babies are the ones who will reap the greatest consequences of adults' current wasteful behaviour. In the present, babies are also likely to be the ones who most benefit from an additional $30 a week in the family budget," said Mr Ward.


And Glow, as for washing nappies with an agitator etc - what do you think our Grandmothers used?
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Well I have noticed no difference with the washing as I just put them in with the rest of the washing no extra load or anything. I don't have a working dryer so I use the airing rack often over night but in this wind it is easy to get them dry. I have already saved a lot of money for changing at 4 months. And if I get my next baby then I already have them here and would only need to buy a few more smalls which will pay for themselves in a few weeks.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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tashzmum. I'm expecting twins in Feb/March and intend on going to MCNs.
I'm going to use sposies initially but am going to build up a selection of cloth ones before they arrive so I have some to test out and then will invest in a complete set once I find ones that work for me.


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Ok I not read all the reply's and I am totally into cloth only reason why I have no MCN is casue we jsut never have the cash and we have no credit card to buy them, But my FIL works in waste managerment and he told me that nappies are only five percent of what actually ernd's up i nte landfil's so he is more worried about other things' rather then nappeies.
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hmmmmmm

i never though about the extra water usage glow... and being on a farm i am rather stingy with my water usage especailly as at the new plce we will most likely be going to at the end of the season only has tank supply, and no spring, unless our boss decided to find a way to get spring/well water lol.
i already do something like 3-4 sometimes up to 5 loads of washing a day as for some reason i always have a massive washing pile of wet towels, wet filthy farm clothes, wet dirty overalls, and tashs clothes, and bedding.

i read the thread about the different types and i am still rather confuzzled. i might keep lurking around this part for awhile. i am still leaning towards sposies......

i have a memory in my head of my mum paying 50c for every cloth nappy i folded when she had my sister and brother when i was 8 and 10 lol.

eta- i forgot to say at the moment i spend $10-$15 a month on nappies for tash

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I started looking at MCN when my DH and I were trying to find ways to save a little money. With 2 children in nappies, we were spending between $80 and $130 a month on disposible nappies, nappy bags, and wipes. We have to use Huggies when we use disposibles, as even though the boys aren't big wetters no other ones fit their different shapes well enough not to leak!

I organised a hirekit at first, giving us a chance to try a whole lot of different types before we committed to purchasing some fuzzibunz. At first we bought 12 (although 2 were the wrong size - my mistake) and I was washing at night to use the next day. We've just bought our second set of 12 (Honeychild this time) so now I'm washing every morning for use the next day.

It's working really well for us, well enough that DH said the other day that going cloth was probably the difference between us being able to afford to live here in Wellington, and staying in Ohakune where we had a school house and just over 1/3 the rent!
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