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    Posted: 12 November 2007 at 8:07pm
Iv had constant problems with breastfeeding since day dot! but now Astin wont feed at all!!! except for his very first feed in the morning. Hel scream and pull off over and over again until i give up!

I dont want to give up all together!!

I rung the la leche league today and felt worse afterwards!! she just made me feel terrible about giving him formula and she said that i had pretty much shot myself in the foot by giving him formula and if i really wanted to carry on breastfeeding then im going to have to stop giving him formula and put up with the crying until he takes the breast!!! ...i rung up for help and support but i got nothing but critisism and told things i already knew!!

I KNOW!! that keeping them on for longer will bring in more milk BUT he wont stay on to bring in more milk!!!!...I have tried the expresser!! and it doesnt make any difference!!.....i have taken Brewers yeast, alfa alfa, blessed thisle and Maxalon and still no luck!! I also only use TT closer to nature bottles

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can someone help me out?????
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You poor thing! The person you got sounds horrible. You sound like you are doing a great job and are doing EVERYTHING that you can - good on you for trying to perserve. Don't worry about the fact that you have given him formula - I had to do that at one stage and my breast feeding still worked out. Ollie had patches where he wouldn't feed properly but it normally came right.
Have you tried ringing plunket line? They might hopefully be better and more balanced in their approach.
I guess you have tried everything like feeding when there is no distraction - not flicking magazine pages or having TV on etc.
Don't feel bad you are doing a great job. I hope things work out quickly for you.
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What a bitch!! That lady should not have tried to make you feel so bad!!

I agree though, try plunketline. I even tried healthline while I was having problems. Both gave me some really great tips. What worked in the end for us was sitting in his room, with no distractions for him and making it all about feeding and nothing else. The curtains were closed. DH wasn't allowed to come in the room and be a distraction and eventually once both Daniel and I were completely relaxed he took boobie. That's the only thing I can really suggest.
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awww hun, big hugs. Firstly, does your maternity ward have a lactation consultant or are you able to ring your midwife and get her to get you an appt with one?

Possibly, one reason why he pulls off and gets angry could be if you are bottle feeding him as well, he is finding it easier to get the milk from the bottle, where as he has to work harder to get it from boobie, so he gets frustrated and pulls off.

While she didn't need to be quite as rude, she is a little bit right about the formula thing, If he knows he is going to get it easier form another source, then he will hold out....But, in saying that, there is absolutley nothing wrong with mix feeding, but it just makes it a wee bit hard in situations like this.

Spending some (and I know its a huge ask when you have amother child) some non feeding bare chest to chest time with him is good, too, it means he won't just associate your chest area with stress

Also, crazy, but I've read and heard it works, is during a milk strike, pop some marmite/vegemite onyour nipples. Apparently they go crazy for it!

Not too much help, I'm afraid, but I hope you are able to get some other help. Ring your midwife, she will help you!!!
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oh and totally agree with stacey about the no distraction thing. He's at that age...
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iv spoken to my plunket nurse heaps about it but she cant seem to help me either

Iv tried the workx!! no distractions, chatting to him, marmite on nipples, pears on nipples, tricking him, breast sheilds, every position posible! (even him sitting up!) i have even tried not giving him formula for 2 days!!! (when he was younger) but that just resulted in 2 days and nights of solid screaming and one household full of very grumpy people!

this feels like a rerun of the bailey saga all over again!
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Hi Amber, do you have a plunket family centre in your area, if so you could go to them you can spend all day there and they will give you tons of help and advice. I think LLL are so pro breastfeeding that they loose site of everything else that can go on, afterall they aren't at home with the screaming hungry baby. You could always try another lactation consultant in your area as well, they cost about $70 down here. Perhaps ask plunket or some mums in your area if there is anyone that they recommend.

Best wishes and big hugs.

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give your midwife a call and BEG her to make an appt withthe hospital lactation consultant, and if she won't, ring the maternity ward and keep ringing them till they make an appt for you. Hugs..
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i wish i could ring my MW but shes in new york for a few months

i know i shouldnt have given him the formula in the first place and i balled my eyes out everytime i fed him for a few weeks because i felt like such a failure all over again!
he seemed to be doing so good on having both but now its all gone to custard!!

oh man i wish i could fix it somehow!!


the nearest parent centre we have is in Hamilton 2.5 hours away
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It was your midwife that advised you to give him formula in the first place,..and it was the best thing at the time,...so dont beat yourself up about it! How is his reflux? Do you think the meds are working? Isla's feeding majorly improved once her reflux pain improved- I didnt ahve the same issues as you as she never had a bottle for ages, but she never fed well.
Ring the maternity annex and ask about a lactation consultant( I dont know if there is one). Ask to speak to Maggie. Good luck, hope you get some decent help soon.
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i think you need to build up your milk hon! esp after bottle feeding him for so long...it can be done but then if your body has switched off then not sure - mine did over a week or so when ella self weaned and hasnt gone near these boobies again!

can you hold off the bottle and kept trying him on breast first - make sure no bottles in sight...and make sure you relax as much as poss - not easy i know

tricks to add - protein drinks (up and go is great) bananas, oatmeal, all build up milk. Add yeast also and you should be overflowing....if not then i think it might be too late. Give it a go tho.
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I think you really need to see a lactation consultant, they will be the best person for giving you help.

Have you tried giving him some formula and then latching him on for the second half of the feed when he isn't so frantic?
Or how about dream feeding him on the boob to help stimulate your supply, then if you have more it may flow more easily for him when he has an awake feed.
Will he comfort suckle at all, perhaps you could put him on after he has a feed or before he goes to bed instead of a dummy? (if he has a dummy).
Maybe try latching him on in the bath, or take him in the bath with you and just allow him to chill out on your chest so like fattartsrock said he won't always associate it with the stress of feeding.
erm I can't think of anything else to suggest.

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i would be aiming to get him feeding at night, when he is sleepy and relaxed. even if you have to get him up several times he should still feed ok then.

and one question - does he have a dummy?
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Big Hugs to you hun.

The positive thing is that your baby is three months old, so your milk supply has established itself and so you can get through this tough time. Don't worry about the formula - thats what you needed to do at the time.

I had this problem with my second son at the same age.

My advice - if he enjoys baths, jump in the bath with him and feed him there, one positive experience is sometimes all they need to turn things around.

The other thing that worked for me was that I found he didn't cry when I started feeding him when he was very sleepy, so I would grab him as soon as I heard him stir so he was still sleepy and feed him then.

My last piece of advice is that if he is screaming calm him down and try again a few minutes later - I found that at one stage I was almost forcing him, which has a negative effect on the nursing relationship.

A few positive feeds and it does get better.

I know how tough this can be so PM me if you need extra support - I had complete BF Hell with my second but managed to nurse until 18mths.

When all else fails - as my grandmother once said - don't worry, its just a phase.

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I am also about that lady on the phone!

Have you got a breast pump? See if you can pump up your milk, even if you have to chuck out what you pump, it will boost your supply and he won't get so frustrated with it. Then I would suggest giving him the EBM by bottle a couple of times a day as well. You can also get a tighter teat for when you do give him formula, so that he starts to associate good feelings with EBM and bad feelings with formula hehe Another idea to make him not like formula as much is to serve it cold.

The thing with the morning feed is that you are fuller and the milk flows more easily. We recently weaned Kryssi's day feeds onto formula with evening and night feeds as BM (cause I'm back to work), but she has started mucking around with the evening feed - when I am less full. Considering I only plan to feed her until about Christmas time, I have now introduced a bottle before bed as well and she only gets the morning one. But we're a few months ahead of you and about ready to wean.

Is there a particular reason why you don't want to keep up with formula btw? Not that I judge you, my eldest two only had BM until 11mos.
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I had no luck making any milk of my own - I took a prescription drug (called something like domperidone) for the full 6 months I b'fed Gina.
Can't give much advice on the actual b'feeding - Gina refused to eat off the breast so I expressed for the full length of time.
Take it easy on yourself - the lady from LLL sounds like a cow
    
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There's tons of ideas here and I don't have anything new to add (and putting him on a slow-flow teat for his formula does seem like a stroke of genius!) but I just wanted to say - PLEASE don't kick yourself for this, you're doing such a great job, and it sounds really really stressful with those feeding issues going on.  You deserve a break if you can get one!

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You're doing a great job!

About a month ago DD started screaming at me every feed - it wasn't nice. But now I am off dairy and wheat (gluten) she is a lot better. She was reflux - but is now off all her meds. I still give her one bottle of formula after her bath, but the rest is BM.

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Wow! what a response thankyou!!! Im going to try all of the things suggested!! im even going to go to docs and get some Domperidome!

Kelly - i texted Sue and she said to ring Kathy Boyd at the annex so thats what i shall do (been flat out today so havnt had time!). Hes still having his Ranitidine and gav.

Bombshell - i tried holding off on the bottle last night but he wasnt having a bar of it! and screamed till he lost his voice but im chugging down the bananas!

Busymum - my aim was to fully breastfeed after failing so bad with Bay and i figured (after much beating up!) that if i have to give him some formula then hes going to have breast as well!! and i really enjoy the bond i have that i didnt get with Bay so im not willing to go soley formula...im a stuborn mule! lol

He does have a dummy but he really only takes it at night when hes wraped and in bed until he dozes off to sleep.

Sorry if i missed anyones questions

This morning he woke up at 8.45am and i was as full as anything!! and he wouldnt feed!!! so i expressed and gave him that. Then he woke up at 3pm and breastfed perfectly fine!!

Hopefully i can get things back on track! i really appreciate everyones advice and support thanks heaps.
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I think you have a little strong-will on your hands
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