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Topic: Interesting article.... Posted: 22 January 2008 at 2:51pm |
At the risk of starting a debate, I found this article very interesting..... Thought some of you may agree/disagree?
http://nz.lifestyle.yahoo.com/b/marie-claire/3078/why-babies-come-between-best-friends/
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 2:58pm |
yer it is very interesting, cant say ive had probs as all my friends have kids as well.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:05pm |
Well I have to agree with one of the people that left a comment and that the writer of the article needs to grow up.
Sure thinks change when you have a baby. I had 2 really good friends and when I found out I was pregnant with Andrew they were both happy for me and I still saw them after work and we did the shopping trips on a Friday night.
However when I had Andrew one friend stuck with me and is still there with me, the other found it hard to get time with me and I had to explain to her that I was mum and that baby needs me 24/7. We drifted apart still kept in contact but not as much as we used to (I do feel that her partner is also to blame for our split). But all of a sudden she becomes an aunty and she is ringing me every few days to tell me how cute she is and how its so cool to be an aunty, and how she will get to babysit. I had to explain to her that its a bit different to being an aunty to being a mum.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:27pm |
At the risk of getting attacked by all you mummies.......I will express how I personally feel as a NON Mama (Keeping in mind this is MY opinion)
I find it an interesting topic.
One that I have thought about often and for awhile....
My friends all have children and I do not, but DH and I are trying our butts off to get pregnant!
While I am happy for my friends and love their little ones (two being our God children), I love looking after them, helping out when I can etc, it does get a bit ‘much.’
I have always considered myself a very loyal friend to those I love (Pre, during & Post pregnancy)and I still do, but I sometimes feel the slightest of urge to just blurt out "SO, ANYWAY, what else is new!?"
I understand to some people that seems rude but it really gets boring. Full stop. I find it boring. Hearing about children and their every moves, noises etc is fine for the first 2 hours but sometimes being asked how 'your' day was can be nice in return.
E.G. I spent my Christmas holidays with two of my oldest friends and their partners and babies which we enjoyed.
But not one hour went by when they weren't discussing nappies, dummies, formulas, food & even POOS! I nearly hurled, they had a diagram of different types of poo out and were discussing potty training! DH and I left soon after!
While I understand to the, this is an normal every day discussion, its kind of rough to hear when you have not experienced such things yet.
Another thing that irks me is when I try to make suggestions. After sitting for an hour hearing about why their baby won’t sleep, if I dare try to suggest something I get the “Your not a Mum, you don’t understand look!” So it becomes a pretty one-sided convo with me, Umming and ahhing my way through it.
I never EXPECT that they can come out all night etc and always attempt to plan quiet girls get togethers well in advance to they can organise their partners to look after the kids.
I guess what I am trying to say that in my case, I am in my eyes VERY tolerant of my Mummy friends and sometimes wonder why I never get the same in return???
I understand a baby demands 100% of your time, esp in the early days but that’s not really any reason for you to drop off the face of the planet and not return calls etc.
And no I wasn’t one of those annoying people who called every two minutes from the moment you stepped in the door. I was very aware of the time and space they needed but not returning any calls or messages is just plain rude.
This opinion could of course ALL change when our bubba comes along! Ha!
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:31pm |
I understand your point there Parki, the thing with my friend was that once Andrew came along she was the one that didn't want anything to do with me, and dropped of the face of the earth - only to appear when she wanted something.
Good on you for sticking with your friends thou. It is hard thou if they ask you for advice you give some and then they stick it back in your face like that.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:36pm |
Thats interesting because I find the only time my friends do talk to me is when they want to know about birth, pregnancy and babies - Kind of like thats my specialty now and I know nothing else.
Whats with the comment about parents being selfish?! I wish I had the time to be selfish!! Raising a human being is a very demanding. important and rewarding job.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:38pm |
I think that perhaps the writer of the article was really trying to address the issue of the growing gaps between mothers and those without children.
I think that it is definately possible that there is a gap that grows between childless women and mothers.
I also think it is possible that alot of women forget how to be women as well as mothers, as it cant be easy to fulfil the resposibilities of a mother and be a friend and woman as well. But then, what do i know.
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What i said there was and is not aimed at anyone in particular. Its just my observations!!!!!!
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:45pm |
I tend to ignore the 'comments' section of articles as generally the responses are not all that intelligent. I was focusing more on the article itself.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:52pm |
Wow, interesting!
I think frienships do change but I don't know that I agree wiht this statement:
If a friend comes over for coffee, I might still need to cook some baby food or fold washing. Admittedly, I feel a little rude, and they often comment that I'm distracted or don't sit down and chat anymore, but what they don't realise is that I'll pay for falling behind by having more work to do the next day, or struggle to catch up in the evening, when I should be resting.
I would like to think that I will take time out to chat to a friend, if it isn't an announced visit. Washing can be done some other time, or even by my partner (actually, often by my DH, lol)
I didn't want to be rude and say that I was feeling tired and shell-shocked, but I really just needed to be alone with my newborn.
Well, you actually do have to be rude. Or get your partner to be. Not speaking up at times like that is a bit ridiculous. i am sure that she would hate to think that she was beign so unhelpful, but yeah, until yyou have a baby you really don't know what it is like, unless people tell you.
As for the childless woman, i think she needs to chill a little too.
When I hear a friend is having a baby, I often think, 'There goes another one I won't be able to talk with for a while.' I still value those old friendships, but, obviously, our lives have gone in different directions and it's inevitable that we have less in common.
Well, what I do after I have listened to a work story is I point out say - oh, here is my latest work story...then share a new thing about the baby. Because the reality is that my story is as interesting to them as theirs was to me. But because you care about someone you make the right noises and aske the right questions both ways.
And if you are a mum who doesn't ask about work etc when with friends, and only talk about the baby, then you are either a bit of a lousy friend (or maybe you always were) or your friends aren't even trying to share their lives!
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 4:02pm |
miss wrote:
I think frienships do change
And if you are a mum who doesn't ask about work etc when with friends, and only talk about the baby, then you are either a bit of a lousy friend (or maybe you always were) or your friends aren't even trying to share their lives! |
I think friendships shape and grow regardless of babies and mother hood..
And id' have to agree with your statement about lousy friends. I liken it to (and i use this as an example becasue its the biggest thing to happen in my life so far in this type of respect) Getting married and planning a wedding. You think about your big day all the time and plan meticulously.. Somtimes you forget that not everyone is as excited about your big day as you are and you need ot take the time to understnad that your friends have things going on too and it takes only a few mins to make them feel important to you.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 4:03pm |
I ahve to say that I started that reply before anyone else had - interesting to read your thougths parki. i can say to a certain degree that i was like that. Yes, you will change more than you know once your baby is here.
As to the quesion - so, anyway, what else is new, that you want to ask, that is probably a newish mum's most hated quesion. what else can be new? You have no time, money or energy to do anything else for a few months. Some people genuinely cannot leave their babies (I am glad I am not one of them!) with other people till they are much older so the reason whey they talk so much about their babies is because their babies are their work, their leisure, their hobbies and the bits in between.
that is of course NO EXCUSE to not show interest in your life by asking you about what you are up to. I also hate the way people who don't have kids can be dismissed when offering suggestions. I think that is rude as anyone can come up with a gem. i used to get (prebaby), oh when you have your own children it will make you a better teacher - wtf? Yeah, it has made me such a great teacher that I no longer want to teach! lol.
Things like returning calls, meh, I didn't do that very well before, so I haven't changed, ha ha.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 4:16pm |
I understand that new Mums probably hate the question "So what else is new?" - Hence the fact I have never said it out loud!
I also think this is what probably causes the initial gap between new mums and old friends.
The non mama feels like there is nothing else to talk about but the baby or watch their friend with the baby.
Teh new Mum feels liek this baby is all they really care about right now and as it is their new career, being a Mum, doesn't really have much to talk about in teh way of other things, which is totally understandable.
Hence the drift beginning........Non-mama not wanting to visit or call as much due to having few things to talk about and Mama not having time to call or even think too much about the friendship due to being so busy and before either of you know it the gap is bigger and it becomes easier to just leave it than to make it better.
Im just generally speaking here.......
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 5:21pm |
I don't think it has to happen though with the friends ou really care about. Certainly with aquaintances, but that is just normal as you age and priorities change anyway.
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 7:38pm |
I guess it's just a reality of life that over time friendships drift apart for various reasons and this happens to be one of them.. If the friendship isn't strong enough to get through the child years then maybe it wasn't that important to begin with?
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 8:25pm |
I've had a very close friend of mine drift away since having DD, but in hindsight I think our relationship was headed that way anyway and me having DD just sped it up. We once had a lot in common and now are heading in different directions. I'm surprisingly ok with it, as is she...I think we both work on the motto that we may go our own way for a few years (she's off overseas soon, I'm settling down) but if our friendship is meant to be then we will drift back into each other's lives again and there's no point agonising over change and making that possibility harder...if that makes sense?
I have met new people after having DD and look forward to those friendships developing in the future. IMO it takes a very special friendship to endure all the changes we go through in life. I am blessed to have two very old friends who have somehow managed to stay very close since the beginning of high school, even though they are in different parts of the country and we only catch up once a month or so.
Hence the drift beginning........Non-mama not wanting to visit or call as much due to having few things to talk about and Mama not having time to call or even think too much about the friendship due to being so busy and before either of you know it the gap is bigger and it becomes easier to just leave it than to make it better. |
Parki, I think this is true, but what makes the difference is how we react to the drift. It is a natural thing that relationships change and it is sometimes sad, but doesn't always have to be a tragedy or big drama.
I'm useless at returning calls too, although so are many of my 'non-mummy' friends - they're just as busy! I think most of the issues those without kids have with new parents can just as easily be countered with issues new parents have with those who haven't got kids yet. I try to make time for my other friends and will make a point of not talking mummy stuff around them too much. One-sided conversations between anyone are plain rude - you don't have to be a mummy to be guilty of that one.
Overall, being a mum has made me tougher - if you don't like how I live, that's your problem, I've got bigger things to worry about! (harsh, but true!)
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