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    Posted: 20 April 2008 at 11:40am
Hi ladies.

I thought some/one of you might know how I go about doing this??? I know there is a HUGE shortage of centres everywhere and it's always been a dream of mine to open one up but I don't know where to start!!

I live on the Hibiscus Coast so would want to open one up here.

I have a teaching degree (Primary) and have worked in Day care centres but the 'points' I earnt when I did work there are no longer valid so I am looking at retraining to get my ECE degree which I think will take a year (but won't do that unless I find out how to open a centre and actually do it!)

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated :)

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You need to have a degree in early childhood as a starting point. You'll need a licence and best to speak to the ministry of education about that. Have a ask around a few of the centres in your area for their policies on everything (and that is everything) so you know what you need to do.

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Thanks Mummy_Becks! Those are a great starting place for me :)
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It's something that needs a lot of thought...although there is a shortage it is the shortage of staff that is more urgent than the shortage of centres - some centres even having to close because they can't get the staff. It might be hard to find enough staff if you were to open a centre.

Also, you don't need a degree to own/manage a centre - but you would need to employ someone as a supervisor who has a diploma or degree (and of course the more qualified staff the better - though they don't all need to be qualified at this stage).

I'm pretty sure you can get information from the MOE on what you need to do.

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I just had a look through some of my education stuff. And to be a licencee you don't have to have a degree but at least some form of early childhood education training as if you need to be in the centre teaching you would need to be quailfied. You would need to have a degree as the licencee if you want to use your centre as a teaching centre and have students come in.

Things are changing with the staff you employ, they all have to be either trained or in the process of training now.

The more qualified your staff are the more government funding you get.

And some business education wouldn't be a miss either as you are running a business. I have a horror story about a daycare with a licencee that had no business sense at all (well no sense at all if you ask me ) if you want to know about that PM Mariel and I can tell you about that.

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Thanks again ladies :) Have edited my first post to say a bit more about me so you kinda get where my background is :)
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I can say that you do qualify to cross train and do the GradDip(tchg)ECE. I worked at the college of Education at Massey and they offer this programme extramurally both part time (2 years) and fulltime (1 year).

Def give the MoE a all tomorrow and ask them what you need to do.

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My sister is a registered Kindergarten teacher as well as having a Bachelor of Education. She currently manages a centre in Ponsonby. Her biggest stress at the moment is finding qualified staff, because as you probably know every teacher who works in a centre has to be qualified by 2012.

Her partner and her have been wanting to do open a centre as well. They have estimated that it would cost over $1.5m to do this. Once you've got the property, converted it into a suitable centre, toys, cots, outdoor play area, nappies, the works, I think they costed that for the first 6mths. So I guess you would have to have the financial security to be able to do it, a good location, staff and the drive to be paying off a huge mortgage before even go the centre open.

Hey maybe the two of you could be partners!!

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You will more than likely need a resource consent from RDC to run the centre too - but this will depend on the exact location of your centre. Unfortunately these days, it can be an expensive & time consuming process to gain consent from the Council.

I am a planner & have been involved in gaining consent for a 10-child centre on the North Shore. It took approx 8 months to get consent & the owners had to go through a Council hearing for which they needed experts (a planner, lawyer, noise consultant & traffic engineer) to prepare reports & give evidence i.e. VERY costly .

And there are no guarentees that consent will be granted especially for centres in residential zones as the residents usually kick up a right royal stink. NIMBY at its best!

Sorry to sound so negative but I just thought I'd offer my opinion from a planning perspective. Best of luck.
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LOL Sally, I was going to say resource consents etc. too.
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I'd definitely rather hear all the negatives before I spend too much time investigating and putting money into anything!!! So thanks so much for your feedback

WOW Mel! 1.5mil!!!!!!!!! That is WAAAAAAAYYY more than I thought!!!
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That's what I thought too when they said $1.5m, but it kind of makes sense, with buying the house or buying land then building a centre. I think that included consents etc too. They of course would want to have one on this side of the bridge.
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The case I was involved with probably cost the owners a similar amount too at a guess. I know they paid somewhere in the $900k's for the house which needed remodelling on the inside. They needed to buy a fairly large house on a large site. And of course while they were waiting on the consent, they were sitting on the property paying a huge mortgage.
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I agree wiht everyone, it's a huge task to open a day care. Very costly, hard to get, keep qualifed staff. I am qualifed reg. ECE teacher and there is a huge shortage of teachers like me.

Applying for consent and to the MOE for a license, doing research finding out what type of centre you want or need to open. Full day care or sessional or a pre school.

Huge Huge task good luck

I know of heaps of centres looking for staff and some pay huge money. So staff wages is something to take into account. Also are you thinking of a community based not for profit or a private centre. Funding vaied hugely in this area.
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Was definitely looking at a making a profit kind of centre

Aren't we all looking for a way to make more money these days
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What about buying into an existing centre? That's what my sister wants to do when she finishes uni, she's doing her masters in ECE atm.
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I have been looking out for one for AGES - years even! They NEVER come up and if they do I think they must be advertised secretly
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Originally posted by mummy_becks mummy_becks wrote:

I can say that you do qualify to cross train and do the GradDip(tchg)ECE. I worked at the college of Education at Massey and they offer this programme extramurally both part time (2 years) and fulltime (1 year).




if you need help or info i did this (15 months fulltime in chch)
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What about approaching some existing centres to see if they'd consider letting you buy in?
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Thats an option I hadn't thought of sally belly!

And thanks foxxy - I will keep you in mind if I decide to do it (although it is looking waaaaaaayyyy too hard already!!!)

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