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    Posted: 03 August 2008 at 9:11pm

I've been worried about DS's flat head for months now (he's almost 8 months old). Last time I asked the Plunket nurse about it she snapped "Well what would you rather have - a baby with a flat head or a dead baby?"  I was quite !!  She kept insisting it would correct itself in time. But I really can't imagine how it will.

His head is really flat at the back and almost curves inward a little. Although I see him every day it seems to me to be getting worse, not better.

How likely is it that it will correct itself over time? How many of your kids ended up with permanently flat heads? Do you think anything can be done at this stage to reverse it or at least stop it getting worse??

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I would probably go along to your GP and get a second opinion. I think if it's really flat there are measures they can take to correct it (non invasive). Good luck!

ETA: at the Plunket Nurse's response. She sounds like she went a bit over the top.

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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I've been worried about DS's flat head for months now (he's almost 8 months old). Last time I asked the Plunket nurse about it she snapped "Well what would you rather have - a baby with a flat head or a dead baby?"  I

Make a complaint we are not allow to say that at all. That is awful kakapo so sorry to hear she said that


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I would go to the GP too and if he doesnt seem worried ask for a referral to a paed. It is definitely I would get onto without trying to scare you, I dont mean to but I would always ref esp because of his age too.

Has it gotten any flatter than it was in the last 2mths?

Has it improved in the last 2mths?


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Josh's head is pretty flat at the back they tried getting me to have him sleep in on side for a week then start switching sides each sleep (flat spot is kinda to one side) but josh wouldnt have a bar of it got a sleep wedge and would come in to him body one way head the other stubborn you know what. She told me at the time it can affect their eyesight then last time i went in she said it was fine and that his head will keep changing into shape for ages yet and will fine and i dont need to do anything. Plunket are soooo confusing!!
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Our Plunket nurse actually resigned a while ago, perhaps it's for the best.

Pretty sure it's got slightly worse in the past 2 months, def hasn't improved.

I think I'll ask for a referral to a paed, sounds like a good idea (not too fussed on the local GP either).

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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Last time I asked the Plunket nurse about it she snapped "Well what would you rather have - a baby with a flat head or a dead baby?"



OMG
I know back sleeping is hugely promoted but the actual chance of cot death occuring are really quite low. In fact Emma sleeps on her tummy, she slept that way while in NICU and won't settle any other way. When I discussed with our Plunket nurse and explained why & that we have an Angelcare monitor too, I was told "Well, that's OK, you obviously know what you're doing"
I'd get a second opinion. When Gina's head started to look flat we started sleeping her on her side and she's got a gorgeous head shape now
    
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OMG kakapo that's horrible she said that!

I was told by my m/w and our nurse that they correct themselves up to 2 years of age (someone correct me if that is wrong). I've been massaging Jack's since he was a few weeks old, although his is getting better, not worse so probably not much help there.

Can't hurt going to the GP and seeing if its having any effect on his development. My nurse said there was no worry as Jack was meeting all the milestones, but I guess its a case of better safe than sorry?
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Great idea to see the GP. There has been a rise in the amount of babies being seen for corrective treatment for flattening of the back of the head due to the back to sleep campaign. Sometimes just because it makes the child head look very funny  right thru to the flattening impacting the brain growing (extreme cases, never seen any personally). The reason why it is better to be seen now too is that it is much easier to help correct the flattening while babies are still under 2 years.

 


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Actually i remember what my plunket nurse said now the last time she mentioned it after acting so concerned the first few visits when he was still really little. He words were it will change on its own up till i think 2 years as emzs said but that his hair will grow now and cover it anyway.

Out of curiousity how hard is it to become a plunket nurse? I know there are some good ones out there but some of the things mine has come out with and the stories ive heard about other peoples makes me wonder if weetbix were giving out qualifications for a wee bit
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Originally posted by WRXandJosh WRXandJosh wrote:

Out of curiousity how hard is it to become a plunket nurse? I know there are some good ones out there but some of the things mine has come out with and the stories ive heard about other peoples makes me wonder if weetbix were giving out qualifications for a wee bit


I think it's pretty darn hard work to get to be a plunket nurse, but Kels could probably answer that one in more detail for you. I'm pretty sure they have to be a registered nurse first, and then do a whole lot more training - post grad stuff I think?

As with any profession, you get good and not so good people in it. The bad ones seem to get a lot more publicity on the mummy grapevine!
Our latest one was a nurse in the NICU and switched to Plunket and TBH she was a bit useless (but lovely). The first nurse we had with DD1 was awesome.
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Yep Registered nurse first then "ideally" but not compulsory some nursing experience. Once you join Plunket you then do a post grad degree which is also 2 papers towards your Masters. Often the varying level of plunket nurse information comes from nurses who studied at different times. I have just finished my 2 masters papers and have researched all the most current up to date info in the world of healthy outcomes for under 5s. I work very differently than the nurse in the next district as she has been a plunket nurse since 1965 ...way before I was born and even thought she is still required to up skill and continue maintaining best practice standards, we practice very differently when dealing with families.

 


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You can always change districts and see another PN if your not connecting with the one in your area. I had over 20 families follow me to my new district and even our very own Baalamb(kirst) is going to come too with bubba #2 hehehehehe cant wait!!


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I think because mine is new to it she isnt very confident on things that arent black n white but then other things i feel like she quotes from the book and wants you to follow them to the letter. I dont mean to thread jack but out of curiosity if you had a baby that was consistently above the 97% line in growth (weight and height) would it be a concern and should he maybe require more bottles a day than the average sized baby? My Karitane nurse and plunket nurse have both told me i need to get him down to 4 bottles a day like the formula tin says and i can with 3 solids feeds now only get him down to 5 should i be worried? Its ok if you cant answer it i was just wondering cos ive got the karitane nurse tomorrow and he is still one bottle more than she wants him to have
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If he is height for weight and feeding well I wouldnt worry what they want. Its what you want and what you are comfortable giving him. Why rock the boat with changing bottles etc if he is growing well and you have no concerns. Plunket are only there to provide information and offer support. There are no right or wrong answers to your question. If that is an issue for you that he is having 5 bottle instead of what the tin says then by all means the PN of KN will be able to support you around ideas and methods you may want to try. Otherwise if this isnt an issue for you then they should leave well enough alone. There is no medical reason he cant have that extra bottle as you say he is weight for height so he is just a big hungry baby!

I was told by my plunket nurse my baby was obese because she tracked the 97centile, cried for days until the GP reassured me all was well and not to worry.

I also had my own PN now work collague rips blankets and pillows off my sleeping baby and that was 18mths ago. I would never ever dream of doing anything like that. Again she was very old school and that is just what some are like. Very dictorial.


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Originally posted by Mazzy Mazzy wrote:


As with any profession, you get good and not so good people in it.   


Absolutely, we had a great Plunket nurse with Maya, then had a shocker come to do the gremlins first home visit, she was so bad I rang and asked them not to send her back. The Clinical Leader came and did the second home visit and she was great but doesn't normally see babies, she does the admin side of things so I chose to drive 20km across town to take them to Maya's Plunket nurse. I'll do the same with Chiara, better the devil you know and all.
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PS. Re the original post, Mercedes had a very flat spot on her head coz when she was small she insisted on sleeping with her head to one side despite my best efforts to rotate her using a wedge etc. I had her checked to make sure it wasn't a problem with her neck muscles etc. and it wasn't, and by about 3-4 mths she was sleeping on alternate sides but it took a good 6 mths + after that for the flat spot to go away.
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Originally posted by WRXandJosh WRXandJosh wrote:

Out of curiousity how hard is it to become a plunket nurse? I know there are some good ones out there but some of the things mine has come out with and the stories ive heard about other peoples makes me wonder if weetbix were giving out qualifications for a wee bit


MEOW!

It's like anything involving some kind of service I suppose, you only ever hear the bad stories...so for every Plunket nurse out there that someone has complained about, there are most likely hundreds of great ones that you don't hear about at all.
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i didnt mean it to sound nasty i was actually curious as to whether it was like a whoever thing that you do a basic training course for or whether it actually required proper qualifications and standards to become one.

Mine is new and some of the things she says make me wonder aye but she is mostly nice if i say im doing things her way hence my questions about feeding they way my PN and KN put things to me its more like they are telling me im doing it wrong and should do things their way.
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My Plunket Nurse is great!! And I know the other one near me is good as well - with all mothers I know being pleased with her!

Back to the original topic, I would get it checked out kakapo - better that you have done that and feel happier about it, than continue to worry about it!

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