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    Posted: 17 February 2009 at 5:36pm
Now I understand that Breast is Best and I tried desperately to BF but I do not produce milk. I expressed every day till I was in pain and only getting 20-40mls for a whole days effort. There is no way I can feed my girl.

I actually found this quite traumatic and got so upset about it that I started to question my ability to be a good mum seeing that I couldn't even feed her. This isn't logical but it was just how I felt.

I stopped expressing to save my sanity and started thinking hard about why I felt so bad about not being able to BF. Then I realised that it had nothing to do with me, but had everything to do with the expectations I placed on myself because of what I had read, been told, seen advertised and had basically been programmed to believe. Even the walls in the hospital are covered in posters for BF and not a single one on the best formula to choose or what to be aware of.

I have gone through the bounty book which has pages of BF and only a couple of small paragraphs on formula. The only advice it gives is not to use cow's milk. Same with all the other info i've been given or located through health professionals. They weren't even allowed to discuss formula at our Antenatal classes because of the WHO code.

What about those of us who want to but can't?? What are we supposed to do for information to make the best informed decisions for our children?

I'm sorry for the vent but I am so so angry that I was made to feel so useless for something I can't control and then being left hanging out to dry to stumble on my own. I didn't even know formula could cause constipation so spent 3 nights with a screaming baby when I could have sorted the problem earlier if I had the information I needed. I'm lucky my MW is very down to earth and she bought me formula before I even knew what was happening.

Just really ticked about the whole thing really. It's just not fair.
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Thankyou!

Slightly different situation, exactly the same thing. I can breastfeed, I don't take it for granted but I really do hate it. Thanks to a head injury 2 years ago I have anxiety as an ongoing side effect.

That, coupled with general shyness, means I cannot breastfeed in public / around family (except mum, MIL and hubby). I actually start having trouble breathing and get the shakes etc.

Now I went into this, knowing that it was possible anxiety and feeding would be an issue, searching for help and back up plans. I had every intention of BF for as long as possible, but I wasn't going to let myself get anxious or let it get to me enough to affect my bond with my baby.

All I got was 'You'll get over it, everybody loses their dignity with childbirth anyway' and ;why would you risk expressing before 6 weeks?'

I'm still bf'ing now, my wallet thanks me for it. But every time I've considered swapping I've got the guilts because of the big deal that society makes of BF'ing being better.

I have a healthy, happy, well fed, well clothed child. Who cares if I bottlefed? Except I'm so damn sensitive to the rest of the worlds opinions.

Sorry - kind of a rant too.

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Yeah I couldnt express either .. but fortunately I was able to manage to bf her and she weaned with relative ease.

I do recall I had an allergic reaction to the synthetic morphine in the hospital and DH had to sign a consent form before they would feed Isabelle formula WTF, you want her to starve while her mother recovers from an allergic reaction to drugs??

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Yeah the hospitals are weird. Rowan wasn't feeding properly in the start and was getting weaker and weaker and they were so apologetic about needing to feed her formula.

I was like 'honestly whatever gets her fed'. I don't understand why it had to be such a big deal.

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I completely understand where you are coming from. I have had such troubles with breastfeeding. With Dominic I really loved feeding him but my milk dried up when he was 3 months old, I tried taking drugs, homepathics and expressing, I did it for 7 months before I couldn't stand it anymore. When I weaned him on to formula I had a plunket nurse (not my usual one who is great) who told me that I should be bfing him until he was at least 1 and made me feel so awful about it. As if over the last 10 months I hadn't been beating myself up enough about it.
I was breastfeeding Isobelle, although not enjoying it because of her reflux every feed was a heartbreaking fight. One day at almost 3 months old she just refused to feed off me. I had no choice but to put her on formula or she would have died from dehydration. Yet if I give her a bottle in public people look at me as if its child abuse.
Breast is best if you can but being a good mum means making the best decision for the welfare of your child. And if that is to bottle feed then it is nobody's business except yours. I mean what would they have us do...let our children starve to death?!
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Golly DHs family in the UK bottle feed straight from hospital because (and I quote) ..

"Then my DH can do night feeds too"
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Dana. It is very disheartnening thats for sure!
I have inverted nipples & low milk supply, so also physically couldnt do it. I BF DS1 for 4days & DS2 for 8days & they were the worst days of my life!
It does get easier with the not so welcoming advice/comments etc you do develop a harden ear!
You are doing what is best for you & your baby

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I hated BF'ing with a passion when I started , i looked at the clock counting the minutes, only reason I perservered was because I lived at Bethany and they make it very hard to formula feed, once I got the hang of it , I enjoyed it, or at least got to a "meh , caring " stage .
BUT , if I hadn't been able to do it , I would have stopped .

I know Breast is best, im not disputing that, and I know the hospital has to promote it , BUT i do think more info should be made available for those who formula feed , for whatever reason .

These first years, first months, are so precious, you don't ever get them back , and I find it really sad that so many women are not able to enjoy them as much as they should because of the guilt that comes with not being able to , or not liking to , breastfeed .
I cant tell the difference in Caitlyns class , who was bf and who was ff.
Either way , they were all fed one of those ways, and thats the main thing .


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There was a link to a study in the UK that someone posted on here a while ago that talked about the effects of the "breast is best" message on women who can't or don't want to breastfeed. Was an interesting read and I related to a lot of it. Is sad that society and probably more so ourselves put so much pressure on ourselves over something that in the grand scheme of raising a child isn't that important.
I also think the lack of information and support for bottle feeding sucks and is actually irresponsible. I understand about the WHO guidelines but I don't think giving info on bottle feeding to women who need or want it is going to be detrimental to the breastfeeding message, but making it hard or even shameful for women to ask for that info and get that info is damn right dangerous and potentially detrimental to the health of those infants.

Ok that is my rant over.

I will see if I can find that link to the study for you and also check out the bottle feeding thread for any advice or support you need.

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I totally agree cuppatea.

Do you think the worry is that if they put info out there on formula feeding that every mother will suddenly decide not to breastfeed.

I would have loved to breastfeed right up to weaning, for a start its cheaper.

We had a big struggle and as a first time mum I am now very angry at my midwife and in fact all the mw's that looked after me in the hospital, my boy could not latch at all for nearly 4 days and would cry and then pass out, I didn't know better but now I do i don't know why they didn't say to express even, anything to mean he got fed.

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You are right. I have a friend who just doesn't build up the milk glands in her breasts while she is pregnant - as a result she produces only colostrum. The posters in the maternity wards surely only shame those kind of people in a very negative way.
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Originally posted by busymum busymum wrote:

The posters in the maternity wards surely only shame those kind of people in a very negative way.


I applaud these posters for normalising breastfeeding. I remember when DD was young a woman being asked to leave a cafe for discreetly BFing her baby. It wasn't that long ago it was illegal for Maori women to BF in public. Society has changed their attitude towards BFing and that has to be a good thing. Unfortunately it can create a lot of guilt if you can't BF. That's when you go on OhBaby to get some hugs.
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I can only speak for myself - and this topic often leads to a huge debate on this forum - but I ended up with PND due to the guilt and shame of not being able to b/f. I felt like the ultimate failure.

 

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Aww retrospective I'm so sorry that happened.

I've been able to BF with minimum hassle and pain and I still do BF Rowan. However I acknowledge I am fortunate to be able to do so.

I am totally with you on the fact that the scales have tipped far too far over in favour of BFing to the detriment of those women who just can't. I agree - it's not like everyone's going to jump on the formula wagon if they ease up a bit on the 'breast is best' message.


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Thanks Bobbie - I am a whole lot better about it now, but I still have a lot of shame, and sadness about it. Not helped at the time by some very judgmental comments recieved whilst bottle feeding my baby in a parents room (happened twice!!!)

I am still very pro b/f and fingers crossed next time around it will be easier and I will know to ask for help and support sooner.

 

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In Ireland it's presumed you'll FF. And if you do BF it'd only before the first 6 weeks and not definitely not in public!

Funny about the hospitals attitude, our Paed encouraged us to put Eimear on formula for the first few days , saving the colostrum for Aoife, until my milk came in.
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I know exactly where your coming from Dana, I am still having the same issues as you but I just cant bring myself to give up bf even though Alex is predominately formula fed, I have struggled with my supply from the get go. I feel so guilty and ashamed when I'm out and have to feed him a bottle but when it comes down to it he is gaining nice amounts of weight since having predominately more formula whereas it was a diiferent story before this.

I do feel like a failure and a really bad mum for not being able to exclusively bf and its something I'm having to deal with every day
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I developed a reaction in my nipples the night after Jackson was born, and I was unable to feed him. I had to sign a consent form for Jackson to have some formula, you would have thought I was signing for drugs
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I gave up BF Rhyley before we went tot he uk as I knew it is not accepted in public - sure they are getting better but I would of felt like a lepper and because we were being tourists alot of times I just could't feel comfortable about it.

My cousin in the Uk said she got asked as soon as she had her baby (2006) if she was FF or BF - when she said FF she got loads of phamplets about it and advse - free milk powder for a month and a free bottle.....

I agree Breast is best if you can but should not be complusary and if you choose to FF then you should get the support you need (and by support I don't mean trying to support you to change to BF)
I loved BF for as long as I did with each of my children but I loved FF just as much - as long as i didn't stave my child thats what counts.

How rude of other people commenting in a parents room - I remember a lady I vagley knew commenting to me when I said my baby was FF (she had previously randomly asked if I was BF'ing) she was almost telling me off - I just said - Its what i choose for my child!


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I'm not wading into this argument, however, i wouldlike to say

The posters, ad's etc are NOT to make you feel bad about FF.

It is WHO code and part of the Baby Friendly hospital inititive which is why hospitals are unable to give you anyt information about FF AT ALL unless you very sepecifically aske for it.

Suck, I know and hard, but policy.

I hope you soon feel confidence in your decision.
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