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karenm
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Topic: medical management or naturally?? Posted: 06 March 2009 at 9:32am |
looking for some more advice...
We found out about the m/c at a scan and now we have to make a call about whether or not we want to wait and let the m/c happen naturally or go down the medically managed route. Having a D&C is not an option this time.
I'm in two minds as I know the natural m/c would be better for my body but there is no way of telling when (or where) this would happen - our OB said it could be tomorow or it could be in 4 weeks!!!
With the first m/c I had a D&C a couple of days after the scan and I guess maybe my reluctance to go for medical intervention this time has something to do with the fact I can't quite belive it's happened again.
Any thoughts or words of wisdom.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 9:52am |
you can't have d and c or you don't want to?
I have had both and for me honestly the DandC was way better..we found out 4 weeks later so i was worried about infection and couldn't deal with carrying around a baby who had already died :( i never got offered the pills but i didn't want them as i knew that would force things to happen and be painful and i really didn't want to pass bub at home..i had DandC and everything was all over after an injection to stop bleeding..
this time i bleed for 4 days (and i bled for 10 days after)before i could get a scan and then to find out i had passed bub at home:( (never had cramps of anything)I totally understand about not believing it had happened again:( i guess it depends on your ability to cope with things and your beliefs and wishes as well? it's really a super personal thing i think about what is best for you...
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 11:58am |
thanks for sharing foxxy_one
I had a D&C with the first m/c and ended up with a perforated uterus and damage to my small bowel and after all that still needed to have the pills!!! Apparently i have an acutely tilted uterus which they hadn't picked up on the scan.
Both my OB and I are very reluctant to go down the D&C route again but if we had to (ie if everything doesn't come away) then if would have to be done by a specialist with ultrasound guidance.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 12:37pm |
wow no wonder you dont want another!!:)i understand?!
gosh in that case i probably would go pills.. but again it's a personal thing...mine was almost 5 weeks and still no signs of anything but that doesn't happen to everyone... you could set a time limit perhaps? for me I also needed to move on and that was part of it all..
gosh hugs to you DandC is sad enough without all the rest of that:(
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 1:44pm |
we've been talking about a time limit. might give it a week or two and if nothings happened, pop up to the hospital.
Our OB was pretty good - didn't force us into a decision on the day - just gave us a letter of referral so we had time to decide which option was best for us.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 2:07pm |
Hi karenm, so sorry to hear you sad news
I found out my baby had no hear beat at 12 wks & was offered a D&C or natural, not knowing much about either & being in shock I chose natural. I found out on a Friday & m/c on the Saturday for me it was horrible I had labour pains for hours (this was my second pregnancy) I was 80ks away from my hospital. I don't think I could go through that again & wished I had had a D&C.
I guess it depends on how many weeks you are & how you feel. I which I had asked them & really understood what was going to happen.
I think you should talk to them to see what is best for you & talk to then about your fears & worries. If you do go natural get them to give you some good pain killers, I wish I had, but then again you may not need them, remember everyone is different.
All the best, thinking of you & hope to see you in the TTC chats.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 3:02pm |
Hi Karenm, first off I am so sorry you are having to go through this
I don't know if it will be any help to you but I will tell you my experiences. My first m/c was July last year and it was a natural m/c at about 5 weeks, and in all honestly for me it was painless. There was only one cramp and that was when I passed a small clot which I guess was the m/c. Other than that just some light bleeding.
Then in mid Oct last year we found out at 8.5 wk scan that there was no heartbeat. I was in exactly the same position as you, I was really scared to go to the hospital (but not for same reasons, just fear of the unknown) and decided to wait for two weeks to see if it happened naturally. This is what I was praying would happen, but after two weeks and still I had not miscarried naturally I was just wanting something to happen so went in for a d and c. It was the best thing for me because I don't know whether the 2nd m/c would have been as painless as the 1st, and also I was worried about getting an infection too.
I think like foxy_one said it is a really personal decision because it is different for each of us. And yeah I wouldn't want to go in again after what you have experienced in the past.
Big hugs and take care, I know how heartbreaking this is
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 3:33pm |
Man, that's a tough call. I had a miscarriage at 11.5 weeks, but the bubs had stopped growing at 6 weeks. I decided to go the natural route, and it was the absolute scariest and most painful thing I've ever been through.
If I had been more prepared, it would have been easier I think. When the doctor told me that it would be "heavy menstrual cramps" I didn't comprehend what that really meant. I didn't have any pain relief sorted and wasn't really mentally prepared for how much blood and pain there would be.
I don't know if my experience was a particularly bad one, but I really wish someone had accurately described how bad it could be. From the anecdotes I've read, the further along you are despite when the baby stopped developing the more painful it is. Not sure if this is true, but it definitely was in my case.
I guess what I'm saying is that if I were you, I'd probably want to get it over with as soon as possible in as controlled a way as possible. If you know when it's going to happen, then you can prepare yourself mentally and physically. Of course, I've never had the pills and I have no idea what the side effects are.
I'm thinking about you in this tough, tough time. Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 4:15pm |
thanks for all the feedback guys.
Quick update - I've made a doctors appt for next week to go and talk through the options again. Will make a decision after that. Assuming of course nothing happens between now and then
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 7:49am |
Hi Karenm
I just went through the same thing last week - had final u/s on friday and they confirmed blighted ovum. Discussed options of natural, medical or surgical.
I persionally did not want to wait I just thought it was to hard. They sort of talked me out of D&C and so I took the pills on friday evening at home. Had panandol and codeine. It was painful but not as painful as birth. I passed the ovum at home after a few hours. And the pain went away. DH was very supportive (although no baby dancing for 2 weeks  ). And apparently we cant try for another 2 cycles atleast.
Is nice to have some closer and be able to move forward. But like foxy-one its a personal choice.
Thinking of you
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 2:26pm |
I only sort-of had a choice, I was bleeding quite heavily so I was 'strongly encouraged' to have a d and c, and it was done within a few hours as they were concerned about blood loss. I don't regret it tho, it gave me some finality, and we were able to have the products of conception returned to us afterwards so we can bury baby (I say 'can' not could coz baby is still in a box next to my bed, I still haven't gotten my head around it 3 years later  ).
Best of luck over the next few days, I hope things go as smoothly as possible given the awful circumstances.
Random observation - you say you've had 2 m/c, could your tilted uterus possibly be contributing to this? It might be worth discussing with your doc.
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 6:40pm |
Random observation is not so random after all.... i've been on the internet doing some research into recurrent miscarriages and it does sound like my tilted uterus could play a part. Planning to bring it up with doc on weds but not sure what she'll do as I've also read most doc/OB's won't run any tests until you've had 3 m/c. No harm in asking though.
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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 4:46pm |
Hi Karen
Again, sorry to hear your sad news.
My experience sounds much like Goldy's. I think the mental preparation is the main part - nobody told me anything (despite having an obstetrician) about how to prepare for m/c naturally.
I was given the option of natural and d&c, but with a strong emphasis on natural, so that's what I did.
The pains were pretty horrendous, but the thing I certainly was not prepared for was the bleeding...I was at work and I couldn't get off the toilet due to bleeding. I didn't have anything more than a few pads in my bag which soaked through within seconds.
I guess my main advice would be to get yourself at least a couple packs of big maternity pads and make sure you are near a toilet at all times...
But this option may be much more preferable to you than having a d&c after what you have already been thru...but it is good to know what you're in for first - I still can't believe nobody told me what to expect.
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Posted: 11 March 2009 at 1:46pm |
Quick update.
Saw my Dr today and have booked in for a final scan on Monday. Sounds silly but i just want final confirmation before i make any decision.
So provided nothing happens between now and then and the scan confirms the m/c, I'll go up to the hospital on Tues to get the pills. The not knowing when and where it could happen is just too stressful.
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Posted: 11 March 2009 at 2:21pm |
Karenm - I certainly think its the right thing to 100% sure before taking the pills. Goodness knows the Drs and scan folk are not perfect and you just never know.....
I know you've already been through it before but:
I'd recommend taking the week off work (if you work that is) cos its the last place you'll want to be either while waiting or while its happening. Organise a few little pampery tricks for yourself - do your nails or deep condition your hair - its amazing how much just little things like that help you feel a little more human.
HUGS - and remember there are folk online at all hours of the day
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Posted: 19 March 2009 at 4:28pm |
final update...
Started bleeding and cramping on the weekend (only in the wee hours of the morning mind you) and had horrendous cramps and bleeding on Tues morning (again in the wee hours) and although I didn't see anything, given the pain and amount of blood i was pretty sure i'd miscarried naturally. But no.... weds morning woke up at 4am with horrible cramps again so off to the hospital we went. Got to A&E and passed a whole lot more blood & clots and the pain went away - felt like I could've gone home but the doc examined me, said they were pretty sure I hadn't passed any product and rather then send me home (when in all likelihood I would've ended up back there) they gave me the pills (and some great pain relief) and a couple of hours later I m/c'd.
Ended up staying overnight at the hospital as they were concerned about the heavy bleeding (all was fine though) and kinda glad I was there and not at home when it actually happened as I think I would've freaked out.
Thanks for your support and words of advice guys.
Hope to be back on the forum soon - but this time in the "due in...." section. Fingers crossed.
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Posted: 19 March 2009 at 5:32pm |
I am so sorry to read about all you have been through. Thinking of you heaps. I wish you all the best with your ttc. Take care - lots of YOU treats.
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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 12:10pm |
So sorry to hear about your traumatic experience Karen...I hope you are recovering ok and hope you fall again soon.
xoxo
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