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    Posted: 20 July 2009 at 9:58am
My little girl is almost 15 months old, and although she slept through the night almost from birth when she hit 5 1/2 months she started waking and now at nearly 15 months she is still waking and wakes anywhere from twice a night to 5 times a night.

We have changed formulae to a lactose free one, from about 9 motnhs as she used to wake with alot of wind and seem to be in pain, changign to this formulae stopped the pain but not the waking. She has a bottle before bed, and usually another full bottle around 11pm, but then will wake almost 2-3 hour from there, she wont drink much water at night, but will drink a bottle.

She is not a big eater and seems to pick at her food, she is a good weight, but want her to sleep through. I can't do the cry it out method as she shares a room with her 10 year odl sister, she slept inour room in her cot until 13 months so it doesn't matter where she sleeps she still wakes.

Can anyone suggest anything?
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Do you think its a habit rather than waking up for a reason??

Can I ask why she has a bottle at 11pm? Do you wake her up for that? She shouldn't really need a feed that late and maybe because she's waking up for that her body just keeps waking up. Also if she wasn't getting that extra bottle at night she might decide to eat a little more during the day. Sometimes Daniel can eat almost nothing all day and still sleep through at night. But if he wakes at night he gets offered water. If hes thirsty he will drink it but he never gets a bottle. She shouldn't really be hungry if she has a bottle before bed.
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Yeah I do think its probably habit, but how do I break the habit, she is at day care all day, The only reason she has a bottle at 11pm is usually because she wakes and she doesn't drink a full bottle before bed sometiems its only about 40ml. Around the 7 month mark we started giving her a bottle in bed as advised by plunket because if we gave it to her before she went to bed she would only drink 30-40mls, when we started giving it to her in bed she drank the lot, but would still wake. Plunket said if she was waking at 11, offer her a bottle in case she is hungry and she usually drinks the whole lot being 220ml. I stopped giving her a bottle in bed resently because I thought perhaps she was using teh bottle as a sleep aid, which i didn;t want to encourage, and although she can get to sleep without any problem, i stil don't klnow if she is waking because she is hungy or habit, but if its habit how do I change the habit, without letting her cry for hours on end, we have tried rubbing her back, giving her a cuddle and sometimes that works ands sometimes it doesn;t. my doctor has told us its teething but I rally don't think teething can be causign this every night !
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I'd agree with you on the teething front. It sounds like this has gone on for ages and teeth don't usually go on for ages.
Have you read any books like Save our Sleep. This book does mean that you will leave her to cry for a little bit but it explains the crying and helps you to understand the process of breaking a habit. THe book does not get you to leave your child to cry by themselves for hours on end and I found it very managable.
I know that you have a 10yr old to think about too but maybe you need to look at long term gain. If you have three nights of crying but at the end of it the whole household is getting better, less interupted sleep then I would say it was worth it.
Maybe read the book then try starting its techniques on a friday so your older child has the chance to sleep in in the morning and hopefully by Monday night everone would be sleeping better.
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There's a few books out there that i've seen that are sleep training without cry it out. Maybe the No Cry Sleep solution or something. Try the library, browse a couple, see which one fits with you and then be super consistent. You may need to move older daughter in with you for a week or so till it's sorted as you'll be in and out by the sound of it. I agree more likely to be habit at this age. At least she should be sleeping from the 11am till 7am cos she has a nice full tummy then.

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For the more gentle approach, I would suggest firstly No bottle in the night!! ... she will just keep waking otherwise. And the milk sitting on her teeth all night is not good either. I would gradually replace milk with water, so for eg: 1/4 water 3/4 milk for first night then 1/2 & 1/2 & so on slowly replacing milk with water until she is just having only water. Once she stops drinking & filling up on milk at night she may eat better during the day too
The quickest way to stop bottles would be cold turkey, so you stop them all together (will result in tears at first) & teach self settling techniques during the day ie dummy, comforter/ cuddly, music, night light etc Does she self settle at bedtime? What is bedtime/ daytime routine like? Is the sleep environment consistant? Ie is she warm enough in the night etc?
Umm I think the main thing is you are commited & consistant in your approach to tacking the night waking & dont give in during the wee hours.
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Jack has never been a great sleeper. I disagree regarding the teething as I am sure that is what caused some of our problems with waking at night, he averaged a new tooth a month from 5mths to about 2yrs. Once the last tooth cut (oh and I discovered ibuprofen) things changed.

I 2nd the use of the "No cry sleep solution", also the ""No cry sleep solution for toddlers" and "Sleeping like a baby" by Pinky McKay. We used bits and pieces from all 3 books to help us and we got Jack's sleeping sorted without any of us crying!
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I am having a similar issue with my 15 month old. He wakes at least 3 times per night and I have to BF him back to sleep.
I don't BF during the day.
I read the No Cry Sleep Solution and tonight this is my plan:
When he wakes I will just cuddle him back to sleep. No feeding no matter how much he makes a fuss. I will stay with him til he gets back to sleep. And just keep doing it.
I am sure he wakes out of habit. I think he doesn't know how to get himself back to sleep.

I am so sick of the night waking, and I have just BF my son to get him to sleep cos I have been so tired and I know it works. But I know he absoultely doesn't need it, and it actually isn't good for toddlers to be feeding during the night. So I am going to use my tiredness as a motivation to keep going.

Does your daughter get herself to sleep at bedtime? Or do you rock her/cuddle her/do something to get her to sleep?
If you help her get to sleep then it is highly likely she doesn't know how to get to sleep without this. So when she wakes in the night she needs the sleep aid to get back to sleep.
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