Amended Abortion Bill

The reasons for termination are as varied as the women seeking abortions, I guess  it comes down to whose life is of more value the women's or the unborn baby.
Choosing to terminate isn't an easy decision and women who do decide to end their pregnancy should get all the support they need and not be made to jump through beaurecratic hoops to do so.  It's this part of the abortion amendedment bill I'd like to see investigated further.

 

Kazper, I think you're missing the point, and people that have been through the torment of having (or choosing) to abort a baby don't really need that sort of reaction brought into it. It's hard enough for them regardless.

Have taken away my last two posts as you were right emz. It is not me to be like that and should really keep my views within check.

I owe an apology and hope I didn't offend anyone. I think it is a very controversial topic.

I personally don't agree with anything that makes abortion easier except in real medical circumstances and by that I mean serious problems with the baby or serious physical problems with the women meaning continueing the pregnancy could cause her death.

I don't buy into the whole mental/emotional reasons, I believe if your mental/emotional state is that bad how could going through with an abortion ever make that better, surely having the baby and adopting it out would be better for the women as well as obviously better for the baby.

I think when women fall pregnant unexpectedly abortion should be the absolute last option, not the first option it seems to be for some. I also think easy access to abortion leads to carelessness with contraception and believe not enough is spoken to young girls about the huge emotional toll that having an abortion has on someone.

And to answer the question about whose life is more important, I believe the babies is, the baby is the innocent party, the women decided to have sex and when you have sex regardless of whether you are using contraception or not there is always a risk of pregnancy and if you are incapable for whatever reason of either raising the baby yourself or at least carry to term and then adopting the baby out to someone else who can look after the baby then you really should abstain from sex. That simple.

The counselling issue.. I never think that counselling should be forced upon a person. We were offered counselling afterwards, DH chose to talk to the social worker once I think, I didn't because its not something I felt comfortable with talking to with a complete stranger..

It should be available, but not complusory.


I think there are very valid emotional reasons why someone might want an abortion.. how about rape victims or sexual abuse victims.. they might be physically able to carry a child but my god what a mind f*** it would be to carry that child and give birth to it..

(wasn't having a go, just stating a reason I know I'd want an abortion for purely emotional reasons)

Not trying to turn this in to a debate but I think you are misreading what I'm saying. I think in general, in our time, getting pregnant does not have the same consequences that it use to. I.e pregnant out of marriage, pregnant when single, pregnant to mulitple fathers or fathers unknown is not an unusual or even socially unacceptable thing anymore. Therefore the consequences of getting pregnant unplanned are different to what they use to be which leads to women (and men) being less careful about contraception and sex in general, leading to more unplanned pregnancies and therefore unfortunately more abortions. And the easier it is to access abortion the more socially acceptable that becomes and I don't think that is a good path to go down as a society.

two_boys wrote: Not trying to turn this in to a debate but I think you are misreading what I'm saying. I think in general, in our time, getting pregnant does not have the same consequences that it use to. I.e pregnant out of marriage, pregnant when single, pregnant to mulitple fathers or fathers unknown is not an unusual or even socially unacceptable thing anymore. Therefore the consequences of getting pregnant unplanned are different to what they use to be which leads to women (and men) being less careful about contraception and sex in general, leading to more unplanned pregnancies and therefore unfortunately more abortions. And the easier it is to access abortion the more socially acceptable that becomes and I don't think that is a good path to go down as a society.

I respect your opinion entirely, however I think its imperative to point out that social change is inevitable, and while it would be ideal to expect society to still hold morals as high as yours, many of the beliefs which we have seemingly left behind were the beliefs of the church and the strength of the family unit as a whole. Sadly many no longer have support structures such as this.
As I have already said I am pro choice for termination on medical grounds, but also feel that a young girl who has never been given a support system is highly unlikely to make safe decisions about why she has sex or the responsibilities that comes with, let alone
have the support or foresight to adopt a child out, or suitably raise a child.
Clearly age is not always an indicator of fit parenting, as we often see in the news, but it is also clear in the stats that the majority of those requiring such resources are teenagers.
As sad as it is I think we need this change to happen, although I do think this is still shutting the gate once the horse has bolted so to speak, there is a demand for termination outside of the current guidelines


Edited by Raspberryjam

two_boys wrote: I don't buy into the whole mental/emotional reasons, I believe if your mental/emotional state is that bad how could going through with an abortion ever make that better, surely having the baby and adopting it out would be better for the women as well as obviously better for the baby. .

If you have severe depression and get pregnant, the toll it would take on you mentally if you were to carry that baby to term and adopt it would do worse damage than an abortion.
If your an alcoholic and get pregnant you're not in a state to carry a baby to term and again, adoption is in the best interest for the women.
Both of the above are examples of reasons why mentally and emotionally some women ar enot in a state where is safe for them (or the baby) to carry the baby to term. They need to look after themselves first before they can look after anyone else (including an unborn baby).


Edited by melissag

Kazper - abortion is legal until 20 weeks! not just the first trimester.... beyond that is what this is addressing

Edited by freckle