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C did 45mins at his lunch sleep and no amount of settling could get him back to sleep again for more than a couple of mins and when I would leave the room he would wake straight away.

Gave him another feed and he was pretty fussy so perhaps not hungry - now we have the long stretch until 6pm although about 4.30 I might try give him 30mins if he is tired.

Pookie if you can get him to sleep without wrap or swaddle you are doing awesome. I dread having to wean C off the swaddle as while he always tries to get his hands out of his swaddle once he does sleep doesn't happen either through startle or not be able to keep his hand in his mouth - a bit difficult for him at the moment though as I have mittens on them as his hands have been freezing.
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Rough day here too, which is unusual.

LM woke an hour into his lunch sleep while I was vacuuming. Did that for 10 mins and stopped, hearing him. Decided to leave him and he went hysterical, so called my SIL who CIO with her second child {who slept through the night from 6 weeks}. We chatted for 40 mins, in that time, he cried for 15-20mins, stopped for 5, cried for another 5, whimpered a little, then nothing.

Just put him down for his afternoon sleep and he's cried a little, but is asleep.

DH and I have decided to try CIO during the night if he wakes other than his 2-3am feed.

LM hated swaddling from the start so we didn't do it, though for us, it'll be weaning him off his dummy at some point!

We're doing great mummies. Just a bad day at the office!
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Shakeybaby, good luck with the CIO. I think I will give it a try if the baby whisperer technique fails. It must be heartbreaking listening to bubs cries though.

Well good and bad news for us today. AJ saw an orthopeadic specialist today and he doesn't have hip dysplasia like we thought. Bad news is that we had him weighed at plunket and had only put on 100g in a week meaning that he is still not getting enough from me. I had a feeling as he has been hard to settle and must have been because he was hungry. I've decided to follow my instincts and feed him more formula against advice of lactation consultant. I am happy breastfeeding him and topping him up, so am going to stop trying to get back to exclusive breast feeding. I'm feeling relieved now I've made the decision as I would much rather a have a happy baby than a hungry one. DP and I are going to celebrate with some wine tonight, my first glass in a whole year.

Keep up the good work ladies.
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Way to go tinx! Awesome to make the decision that suits you guys and your babe best. Yay in no hip dysplasia too!

I am also ready to try CIO via the 'supervised settling' of other techniques don't work. My partner and I agreed that we are all more ready for it so be prepared for questions shakey ;)

Horrendous evening yesterday, ok night but very rough morning. Spent the day travelling so very good to be home. Little man has fed twice in a short space, but is now out to it :) here is hoping a few settled days and nights as we have 12 week imm's coming up!
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Wow! PM, 12 weeks!!! I can't believe how quickly time is going!!! It makes me quite sad in a way. I've loved this journey so much and sharing it with you awesome girls.

Lol. I feel so tentative about the CIO...like it's the right choice at the moment, but still, it's going to be hard. My SIL said that the sleep specialist said that the hardest part about doing CIO is making the choice to do it, but that once you make it, stick to it. It'll take 3-7 days to kick in apparently. Also, that if he's screaming and stops - even for a split moment - or stops when you go into the room, he's just having a tanty. If there really is something wrong, nothing will stop him crying.

Maybe we should have our own CIO support group. Lol.

LM's afternoon nap he cried a little but went to sleep and in the last 15 mins he went down without a peep...A coincidence, I think!

Tinx, that is really awesome you've made a decision. For me, when I decided to supplement LM on formula and on a routine, it felt really good and like a burden was taken off my shoulders because I was actually doing something. I also went against advice and feed the formula first because LM won't take the bottle if I BF first. He always wants breastmilk though
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Thanks shakeybaby and peppermint. Now that I've made a decision I feel like a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. Its a shame 'experts" can make you feel guilty, but I've done my best and I've got to do what's right for me and my boy.
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We did CIO with our first. The first day he screamed for 2 hrs. The next day he cried for 20mins. The 3rd day he grizzled for 2mins. It was the best thing we ever did. He is such a fantastic sleeper. At 27months he sleep from 1pm to 4pm everyday and then 8pm to 6.30am every night.

Our wee girl had a terrible day yesterday. Wouldn't sleep in her own bed at all and would only take 5minute naps on me and my husband all day from 6.30am. Come 8.30pm she finally went to sleep in her own bed and slept till 3.30am!! Wow what a shock to my boobs! I woke up soaking wet lol, not good.

We have her 6week imms this Friday. Hoping it goes well.

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Good luck for Fri Kat, probably be no easier the second time around.

C had a shocker going down tonight, first bad night settle in 3 weeks as he woke screaming and DH couldn't get him to settle and took me a good amount of time too. I think it was my fault as we have started to formula feed for his night feed in the hope it will help him sleep longer through the night but he had nearly 210mL - 100mL before his bath and 110mL afterwards and he fell asleep after his burp up - I think maybe I let him drink too much as this is nearly double what he had the night before and much more I imagine than he would get off the BF.

What does CIO stand for? Controlled crying I imagine - tried this a little today and just couldn't do it as I just felt sooo awful seeing him there beside himself.

Those doing formula top-up which feed are you doing this on, maybe I shouldn't be starting at the last feed but I don't want to keep changing or perhaps I should just go back to exclusive BF, was a way to give C more and my nips a break.

PM glad you home safely and hope Beau has a good sleep for mum and dad tonight - must have been nice to spend that time away though.

OK off to bed and hoping for a restful night for us all, followed by a good day too me hopes.

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CIO stands for cry it out. There are a few different ways to do it and its completely personal choice. You can do it controlled where you go in after 5mins then 10 then 15 etc with verbal reassurance until they settle. You can purely just let them scream and cry it out on their own. We tried the verbal reassurance one but every time we went into our sons room it just wound him up so much more. Just leaving him alone worked better for us.
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Wow. No need for CIO last night. LM did his best sleep ever! He went from 10-3.40am, and is still asleep now. Amazing. Can't believe I got FIVE hours sleep unbroken. Never since he was born!

But, CIO will be the way we go if he has bad nights and am thinking of doing it in the day like yesterday, only giving him his dummy when he is up and about and getting irritable - usually in the last hour before dinner and bath.

Tinx, so glad you feel so awesome. Yes, experts make us feel guilty. We have sideslept LM since he was born and I am so glad we have. The times he's been on his back he's started choking on his spill, we've had to run into his room and turn him over. Not nice.

My MIL always jokes - but quite seriously - that it takes a lot to kill a baby. Lol. She's know, raising 4 strapping boys!

WB, sorry Coen didn't settle well. Hope he slept through the night as brilliantly as he usually does. I top up with formula with every feed, so can't help there. We put in 100mls and let him have what he wants. Sometimes he'll have 60mls or less, sometimes the whole lot. Usually depends on what time of day. He eats the most at the 6ish feed and the less at the 7am feed. He's so sleepy at the 10pm he won't BF, only takes the bottle.
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Tinx, you did everything you could to keep bf, well done on making the best choice now for your family! Don't feel guilty!

Pretty great night here, 10pm til 6am! First 8 hour stretch ever, pretty happy. Not sure what made the difference, we dod have the heater on in our room last night for the first time though so maybe that or jst a fluke. Can't complain anyway!

Everyone doing CIO, is it just when they won't settle? We have a few issues at nighttime, start bed routine at 8pm but she won't go down til 9:30 or 10... Might talk to plunket about it, I think she might sleep too much during the day ... We have the naps sorted but if I go out she is pretty much guaranteed to sleep through the whole time, so can easily have a 3 hour nap instead of the 2 hours I aim for... Then again I'm inclined to let her sleep cause I can get so much done. ha!

She's been awake since 7:15 but is just happily burbling away so I'm leaving her in bed to see if she'll doze off or let me know she wants up...

Hope you all have a good day and these babies behave!
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So it seems the CIO method is slowly working! I got two decent sleeps and a catnap yesterday doing it. Currently got babe asleep now in the buggy carrycot.. two hours asleep and counting after half an hour cio. He is in the lounge with me so maybe that is the key? He has woken a couple of time but has settled back to sleep pretty well.

Discovered this morning that babe has a bald spot on one side of his head! Looks so weird, its like he has a lopsided mullet going on now.

SB, it scary when the babes do the choking on spit noises right! C did it in his keep last night as I was getting back to sleep after feed and I freaked out and picked him straight up. Had to settle him again after that but worth it to know he was OK.
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Ok. Cry it out is not for me. I have done far far FAR more crying than my boy, despite calming him a few times, while having a distraction. I may be creating a rod for my back, but will try again in a week or two when I am stronger.
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Good on you PM for trying! I think we def need to be in the right frame of mind to do it. And it's def not for everyone, not that I know if it's for me or not yet!
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Well we had a pretty broken sleep last night had to dummy C from 1.45 until 3ish and then he had a feed at just before 4am so was a bit weary this morning when he woke at 7.45.

In saying that we have actually had (touch wood) a reasonably settled day today. Morning sleep during my walk for 40mins, 30mins at coffee group and a top up of 40mins when we got home. Went for another walk this afternoon just before 4pm and got another 40mins out of him so pretty happy with the day and he has been burbling, chatting and smiley except when he was hungry and a starting to get tired.

We have our next Osteo appointment tomorrow, should be the last, so hope that might be enough to get our boy back.

Wondering if he was having a growth spurt as girls at coffee group all commented on how big he has gotten and we only saw them a week ago. Also DH and I noticed that he has a little white (small) raised bit on his gum and wonder if he is teething or they are moving a bit - I mentioned to DH but not where it was and he saw it straight away when he looked at his gum so perhaps a little movement going on.

PM good on you for trying, I think I would be like you and prob cry more than C would but nice work for those in a head space to get through it and with a DH who will let you - DH would hate it more than me I think :)

Here is to another night of good sleeps for everyone.
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Right. Trying it again as it know it will be good for little man in the long run, despite part of me thinking there must be other ways. This time I have an afternoon sleep behind me, and my partner home for support. My heart is beating so so fast, but I CAN DO THIS.

I need a good night tonight since last was horrendous so wont be doing it overnight, but for all day sleeps now on. We are committed, so here we go...
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Shakeybaby, 5 hours is awesome. Hope he does the same for you tonight.

Kat, how old was your boy when you did CIO? He sounds like an amazing sleeper.

Peppermint, good luck with the CIO. It must be so hard, but atleast you have your partner there to support you. Having Beau sleep well in the long run will make it all worth while.

The baby whisperer technique seems to be working for AJ. The time that it takes to get him to sleep seems to be getting less, but I'm just taking it one day at a time. Did this technique work for any of you and if so how long did it take?

Good luck to those of you doing CIO. Keep us posted on how you are getting on
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Tinx which Baby Whisperer technique are you using? I am using a bit of the side settling alongside the supervised settling.

It DID not work at the post bath sleep, but now topped up with a quick feed, cuddled, down sleepy but awake and only one peep that didn't even need settling. fingers crossed please ladies!

sending good vibes and settled and sleepy dreams to all the babes
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Oh good luck, PM! Stick it out! As hard as it is, I do think it's more traumatising for us as parents than to the child. LM cried sporadically with some screaming for about 15 mins at his 3pm nap, and gave random momentary cries at dinner, in between times he snuffled quietly. I think he's learning it, but not sure. It's the night ones I'm more worried about, we'll see how tonight goes...

At the 10pm sleep he is too sleepy to BF {I bottle feed first always} even after a nappy change. Sometimes he latches but doesn't suck, and sometimes he just doesn't latch. So I've decided to add more to his bottle and see how much of that he'll take. Hopefully it'll help him sleep longer.

I've started a calender where I tick for every good night he does {a 4hour sleep plus} so that on the bad days I can see the whole picture and encourage myself that he's getting better.

Tinx, we used that at the beginning before we introduced the dummy and it worked well. Depending on how sleepy he was, it could take me 5mins-20mins to get him to sleep. It drove me bonkers though when he'd almost be asleep and I'd stop and he'd just wake up again and Id have to start all over again. I got really sore arms!! Lol. We just found the dummy way easier and we wanted him to rely on that rather than me...and now we're weaning that off him too.
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