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    Posted: 13 June 2007 at 7:59pm
Ok so kid does something naughty, gets a warning, does it again (of course!), and is put in time out. Pretty simple.

But what if the problem is because the kid won't do what she has been told to do? What do you do about "get your pj's on for bedtime" (and the kid mucks around doing nothing) or "get your shoes on so we can go out"?

Please help! I'm still new to all of this stuff!
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what we do with jake is kinda taken from Dianne Levy. we ask jake for example "please put your pjs in the wash" he says "NOOOO", i ask again, "Jake, you can either put your pjs in the wash now, or go to your room until you can do what mummy asks". then he either does it, or not. if not, then he gets put in his room, door closed (he can open it himself) and is told that he can come out when he is ready to do as he is asked. If he doesn't come out, I'll go in and ask him if he's ready to come out and put his pjs in the wash. Usually we repeat this four times before he'll do it.

Every so often we have about an hour of this, back and forth, but i always win (yah me!). after that, he's pretty compliant. I find that if you are very strict initially, they will generally be good for the rest of the day. works for me, but NOT good if you're in a hurry!
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We do the same as Lizzle.
Give her the option of doing as we ask or going to the corner. If she still won't do it after her 3 minutes time out then its back to the corner.
I always try to allow 10 extra minutes before bed or going out somewhere (anything that has a time frame!) just in case we need to deal with tantrums or time outs.
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Originally posted by busymum busymum wrote:

Ok so kid does something naughty, gets a warning, does it again (of course!), and is put in time out. Pretty simple.

But what if the problem is because the kid won't do what she has been told to do? What do you do about "get your pj's on for bedtime" (and the kid mucks around doing nothing) or "get your shoes on so we can go out"?

Please help! I'm still new to all of this stuff!


so what were you doing previously? can you modify that?

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We used to give a small smack to let the girls know we meant business - but are trying a different method to see how it works for our family. I think it will actually work better provided I know how to do it. Trouble is, all our RL friends smack, we were both brought up that way too. And my RL friends have younger kids too.

I think I need to allow the transition more time than I thought it was going to take though. The change seems to have thrown both girls somewhat and it's like they are checking what if, what for, and all the other questions. Like you put in my other thread GandT (about checking boundaries).

Before dinner I had a problem with Hannah and she went to our little bathroom corner - but decided she was not going to stay there. 50 minutes later she finally sat and then apologised when I asked. Maybe we are going to come around after all!
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Is it really naughty tho
When giving instructions to my son i try make it fun & give choices & or make a game out of it. ie How quickly can you get your shoes on, mummy will count & once you've got them on were going on an adventure .. I find he listens more & enjoys the challenge.

I try to limit how much i use time out & only use it for really naughty things. I find it more effective that way Otherwise DS would be there all day or I'd spend all day trying to keep him there for the specific length of time & then trying to make him say sorry.
And im not very consistent or persistent & i think i may be a bit of a push over.
But hey that works for us
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I know my friend used say to her daughter 'I will count to three.....' see what happens. She never ever got to 3 and i'm not sure she had any idea what she would do if she did.
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Ok so not a parent, but I was a nanny for 5 years.

As a nanny we aren't allowed to smack our charges, even if the parent uses that method, and encourages us to. We simply can't. I did find a few different things worked tho when it came to non smacking techniques.

First of all, is it really bad behaviour? Or is it that what you are asking is boring, nagging or just plain unreasonable for them to do/understand? Do they know WHY we dont throw toys at others etc. After that is established, yes it is naughty behaviour, and yes they do know better, then you get down to their level and (I usually hold thier shoulders if they wont pay attention) give the warning without raising your voice, but not sing song either, they need to know you mean it. Then off on their way, and if the behaviour is repeated despite the warning, then its off to the designated naughty/time out place. And yes, one minute for every year of age. And yes unfortunately, if they dont stay there, you just wordlessly put them back there until they sit and do their time. (I found that the more boring the time out place the better, and if they can catch glimpses of their siblings playing and having fun they are all the more eager to sit still and wait the time. Funny that...)

It is important that they also have your praise and encouragement, and involvement for the rest of the time for this technique to work well, for them to notice that you mean business. But this is especially so if you are introducing a different way of parenting than they are used to.

There will definitely be a period of boundary testing while they work out the rules and how far they can push them during this settling period. But as long as you are firm and consistent, you will have happy kids, and hopefully a happy Mum that is happy to have made a change in her parenting. Trust me it is way easier to enforce in public than the odd smack!

PLEASE NOTE: I IN NO WAY FEEL THAT PARENTS WHO MAKE THE CHOICE TO SMACK AS A MEANS OF DISCIPLINE ARE IN ANY WAY BAD PARENTS OR ARE DOING IT WRONG, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD ADD MY ADVICE FOR A PARENT WHO IS CHOOSING TO MAKE A CHANGE. THATS ALL. I DO HOPE I HAVENT OFFENDED ANYONE!

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Oh and as a wee footnote, the advice given earlier about making the task fun is fab advice.

So for the 'can you put your pjs on please?' question you could try 'how about we go and put your pjs on and see how fast we can do it? Because you see, if you are super fast then you will have time for an extra book to be read at bedtime etc (or whatever you do at bedtime)

Turning boring or unwanted tasks into games is really helpful when it comes to getting compliance most of the time. But be warned if they are tired/overtired, you can pull the moon from their juice cup and they wont find it fun. Tiredness is the compliance enemy!

I wish you the very best of luck with your positive parenting, I know it can be hard, and she will test you, but she is a wee cutie, so she more than makes up for it!

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Thanks Bumblefoot, I do usually make things fun, especially for Briona (cause she's younger, and I used to do more regularly with Hannah at that age too). The thing that gets me stuck is when we do need to be in a hurry, or at least at a reasonable pace with no room for nonsense. I guess I could be a bit more organised, allow a bit extra time for getting ready for whatever sometimes...

After yesterday's trial, and making sure I'm spending quality time with each DD today, things have improved a lot! I think part of my problem was that I didn't really expect a transition period at all, I thought they'd keep on obeying me etc - which is dumb thinking (I realise now), since they didn't really know the answer to "what if I don't". I guess Hannah does now

Oh - and I'm a bit of a softie at times too and I had found that only 1 minute was working (that was when I was using time out as a first option and smacking as a last resort). That's no longer doing it for Hannah, it seems, so this morning I sat her down and told her from now on it's going to be 2 minutes (baby steps!). She's only been there once today and admitted that 2 minutes is a loooooong time LOL
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Well done Teresa, sounds like it is starting to work out. I have found Hannah's behaviour so much better since I have started playing with her properly for a while in the morning too. They obviously need that stimulation.
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I can tell you what works in this house. We do give a smack now and then but it is usually for more dangerous stuff and about once a month if that. Other methods actually works pretty efficient. It might take them a while to get use to it as they didnt "grow up" with it in the first part of their life.

McKayla might sometimes laugh at a No but at a Dont she seems to realise I mean business. For stuff with Pj's ect I am not too strict. I just "hunt" her down running after her and make it a big game of putting her clothes on. I do realise it might be a lot different with three of them.

I am also not really strict on warm clothes ect. I let her make that choices for herself. Time out hasnt really been effective here to be quite honest. She gets herself so rallied up that she always goes into a fit. And then when it is over she will be crying and crying. Just a firm No or Dont or a simple choice seems to work. Natural consequences seems to work at this stage.

How about a star chart for the kids? Say start one just for bedtime ect. Might work.


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When it comes time to go out, and you need to move at a decent pace, you can try this to cut down on the time it will take to get ready.

So, as for gettting dressed (ie. how not to have a fight over wearing the superman cape to church etc...) If you give a choice of two different outfits that you have already preapproved of, then it can only be a happy choice. Its either 'this' or 'this'. And that works really well with a lot of things.

Well done on keeping up with it, I know it cant be easy, especially when they are two different ages.

Keep it up, and Im sure all will be well.

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Hey Teresa, I also came from a smacking childhood & its very hard to try & break the cycle of habits, sounds like you are doing a great job so far, we were trying time out for a while and it worked while we were doing it but found it was very time consuming although once you are in the routine and the girls know there are concquences for bad behaviour they usually think twice except when tired or hungry as we have found.
What we have found works for us at the moment is Ashlyns favourite toy (her doll), Ashlyn is given a warning, then a count to 5 if still non compliant then mary(doll) gets put up in the wardrobe for three mins & and an apology. Usually dont get past 2 with the threat of mary going away, except in the cases you have mentioned where she is doing anything bad to get my attention.
Ashlyn has also started Anastasia on this form of disipline & threatening to take her teddy away if she doesnt stop being naughty.
Good luck in your quest for some peace, hope it gets eaiser soon
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Bf - Hannah already chooses her clothes for the morning and that's not a problem, she's just not motivated to get changed. Yesterday after her bath she went around naked for about 20 minutes - weirdo LOL! I told her that it was private and that Uncle Shane (boarder, my brother) would be coming home soon, so I moved her clothes to the bathroom and told her she couldn't come out of the bathroom until she was dressed. She chatted to Briona for ages but when dinner was served she was dressed in about 2 minutes

kez it's funny you mention the doll because when Hannah's in timeout and she sees her doll somewhere out of reach, she is a bit more motivated to do things right and get out of there.


We're doing a lot better, I think we must have hit a turning point where both of us were asking whether I'd follow through to the end. We'll see how the weekend goes, everything's always a bit different with Daddy at home etc. I've also been trying really hard to make more time when I'm doing something, so I can involve the children. Last night Briona helped pour things into, and mix, our dinner (in a frypan on the stove). Today I'm thinking of making scones for lunch with Hannah. These little things seem to help things tick over better too - I bet it's the positive attention vs negative attention thing.

My in-laws come over for a visit last night and asked how things were going. Hmmm I'm not ready to debate the pros and cons of their way (and my parents' way and our "old" way) vs our "new way". I'll just stall on that one LOL.
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I can soooo understand what you mean bout talking to older adults (parents etc) bout old ways vs new ways, I have often, to keep the peace, bitten my tounge just on small matters but even mum is 'trying' our approach but sometimes gets frustrated with me as I am sometimes soft with the girls on some not-so-naughty things & try to find other ways like giving the girls more time with me to play which takes a bit longer but as you have said Teresa works a treat. So trying to organise my time benefits us all.
Sounds like your doing a great job, hope it gets eaiser
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Me again. god I must seem like some weirdo lurker...

Anyway, just wanted to say that it sounds like you are doing really well, and do keep up the good work. Its great to see you are thinking in the 'new way' with your daily routine, and you will find the day passes much faster. Kids love nothing more than having your attention, and its a huge plus when it is positive attention. The activities you have been doing with the girls sound great.

Dont worry about the rudey nudey after the bath, not one kid I ever nannied for ever wanted to put their clothes back on. But boy oh boy did some of them pack a right tanty about ever taking them off for a bath. One wee boy protested so much I just said "fine, then you can just hop in the bath with them on and see how you like it" in he was plopped, and was promptly aware that it wasnt THAT bad taking them off!

Well done and keep up the good work. Happy Mum, happy kids. Looks and sounds like you are doing fab on all fronts.

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