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katylaurenshaw
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Topic: Help/advice needed please!? Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:55am |
hi there, my bubba boy is currently just over 2 weeks old- at nite we have a lot of trouble settling him.
is it ok to let him cry himself to sleep?
i have been leaving him for 10-15mins then giving him a cuddle before repeating until he falls to sleep.will this make him an unhappy child?
also he doesnt seem to bring up wind and his belly growls a lot even after feeds- any suggestions? could this be colic? if so what can we do to help him settle?
any advice is very much appreciated, thanks!
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MyMinis
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:10pm |
there is something you can give to help with wind, your midwife should be able to tell yout he name of it.
anotehr way to help it could be to feed him while he's upright (can be done b/feeding aswell jsut a little more awkward), and wind him frequently so feed for shorter periods and winding him lots during the feed, that could also be causing him to be hard to settle to sleep.
tummy time can also help bring up wind, or holding him slightly above the floor face down (they both worked real well with JAmes when he's not cooperating in the wind department).
hope he starts to settle soon for you,
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:15pm |
Hi Katy, how is he in the day? If he is also unsettled in the day it may pay to make a call into the Albert St plunket rooms, they are good there and can help you with wrapping, sleep videos, etc.
What you are doing - controlled crying - won't make an unhappy child. Sometimes babies get overtired and it's their way of settling down.
Be aware that most babies need to cluster feed at evening/night so they have a full tummy before going to bed. At 2 weeks this may be what your boy needs, especially if he is growth spurting (typically week 2, 4, 8, 12). Also are you wrapping him? Most babies prefer that for sleeping too.
Congrats on your little boy btw! See if you can make it to the next meetup (14 Aug, there is a thread in Mums Meet Up for the Palmy and Welly ladies).
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 1:41pm |
I feed Daniel on an angle and it helps him with wind and crying. At home I just have a pillow under his head end and it keeps him up by my boob which is great. It's kinda like hes sitting.
Another thing we have just found and it's great is a baby sleep cd that I got from The Sleep Store online. It's great for settling and he's learning when that sound is on it means sleep time and we have only had it for 2 days and already notice the difference with it.
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 2:00pm |
i wouldn't be leaving a baby that young to cry for that long - maybe its just me, but i look at the 2 months or so after birth as trimester 4, and try to do what ever i can to keep baby settled and happy.
as was mentioned above, cluster feeding is really important to babies, he is trying to get your milk supply in by feeding and feeding and feeding.
your baby doenst know you are trying to sleep, and is doing his best to feed and be comforted by you at night, which is why he is crying.
try taking fennel tablets to help with wind - if it is wind. it will pass through your milk into baby and will help to digest milk without taking in anything you might be eating.
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 2:38pm |
I personally have tried to leave my baby cry off to sleep and I found it so stressful to listen to her cry and she got distressed as well from crying. The intention/aim though is to teach them to fall asleep on their own. Recognising the tired signs is one of the keys as discussed in this site. When the baby is tired, give him some cuddles and put him in bed if he is calm. He also needs some time to understand that he is expected to sleep when in bed. No doubt it needs a lot of hard work and patience. Good luck!
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 3:17pm |
I can't leave Sam to cry as he gets really worked up and I totally agree with what MILF said about the first couple of months being like trimester 4. Although if Sam is just yelling and doesn't sound distressed then I leave him to settle himself but if he sounds upset then I go to him straight away. Have you tried just leaving him in his cot when he cries but patting him on the back and maybe giving him a dummy and standing by the cot while he falls asleep? Sometimes Sam needs me to be in the room while he goes to sleep.
Good luck and congratulations on your little man.
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 3:19pm |
i agree at 2 weeks old I would not be using the cry it out (CIO) method, they are too young and really need to be feeding as much as they want to (demand feeding) this doesn't mean that your boy is constantly connected to your breast, i would time it (providing your baby has had enough to feed).
Grip water was always good for my eldest (the only one who had a hard time bring wind up) it did the trick. I have heard even a bit of water after feeding - but this would be in an older child (3 months on)
It is very stressful with a newborn and I am presuming this is your first child so worrying for you. It is perfectly normal for a child especially at night to be unsettled, it does pass. If you want your baby to learn to go to sleep by himself, perhaps gentle rocking - while lying in the bassinette/cot. I also used a bouncer to rock my duaghter to sleep before putting her to bed, i was still there but she didn't get cuddled.. then moved onto putting her in her bassinette when she was more settled into a routine. worked a treat for me. with Rhyley I would wait till he was almost asleep till i put him in bed and he just snuggled in and went to sleep.
Do you wrap your baby? This also helps.
Also what do you mean by unsettled? Is he cluster feeding etc...??
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 5:03pm |
I found with my daughter if she was holding onto wind she was squirmy and would often bring her knees up in discomfort. We have tried the cooled boiled water, Infacol and Gripe water - they all work, although I think the infacol is better for the lower wind discomfort. And I would talk to your midwife/Doc/Chemist before giving the later 2.
As for the CIO method - personally I couldn't go through with it when Elle was that young even now at over 4 months I don't really do it if I can avoid it. We have different routines for Day sleeps and night sleeps, at night, before bed she feeds in her room in dim light with little noise and I wrap her, then after a feed and burp its a quick kiss and down to bed - no talking, little eye contact etc. During the day its different and she has her mobile with music going, this way she knows the difference between day and night.
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 6:14pm |
wow, thank you for all your replies, that has left me with a lot of ideas. i have bought some gripe water to try and will bare the cluster feeding in mind and try to keep him well topped up with milk at nite! and i will try sitting him more upright.
to answer a few q's; yes he does get wrapped to sleep, he seems to like that comfort.
he is settled throughout the day and sleeps much beta-often for longer periods than at nite to be honest (gives me chance to catch up!) from about 5pm onwards is wen the crying and not wanting to sleep starts.
he gets so worked up at times that he wont even feed even tho you can tell he really wants to.
i wont be around for the aug meet up as we are visiting all the family in the UK but i'll look out for the sept one.
thanks again!!!
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 7:29pm |
Ok sounds like he just wants to sleep and cluster-feed then, probably will do mostly only feed between 5 and 10pm ish. I think you should raise it with your mw in case he is refluxy (ie full tummy gives him heartburn).
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 7:47pm |
The other thing to bear in mind is that most children seem to have an unsettled period called either the witching hour or the arsnic hour (depends on who you talk to - different names, same thing!). This is, despite the name, a differing length of time where the child is really grumpy and unsettled, and nothing satisfies them. My older son (2) has his from 4:30pm until around 6pm, and my younger son (8 months) has his from 7pm until 8:30pm unless he falls asleep first.
Good luck! It's been my experience that at when my children reach about 6 weeks old, everything suddenly seems to make sense.
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:06pm |
Becca (dakini) said what I WAS going to say, seems like the 5pm onwards is the witching hour (although can last alot longer than an hour) At about 6 I would bath Rhyley and it settled him down, then baby massage worked, cuddles and feed. Doing it all at a slow pance. Its worse for us cause its normally the time we need them to be at their best (dinner to get ready, Hubby/partner just got in from work etc...) It does pass.
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Posted: 24 July 2007 at 7:52am |
I left Joey to cry for 10 minutes max from birth. He always fell asleep within the 10 minutes though. I knew he was dry, fed and tired. He is now a very happy, settled almost 2 year old. I think you have to know for yourself if you think it's the right thing to do.
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