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    Posted: 30 January 2012 at 8:41am
So Thomas is 3.5 and Lily is 1.5 now. They are TERRIBLE. He's the most naughty little so and so in the whole world for me - because he knows that giving me bad behaviour makes me pay more attention to Lily and Lily is copying him.
I ignore him with his bad behaviour as much as I can - obviously the bad dangerous stuff gets reacted to - eg: climbing up on his table, animal crate and up onto the TV to jump off. Pushing his sister out the cat door so she gets stuck etc.

He goes to pre-school 3 days a week to give me a break because I just dont want to be around him at the moment.
Apparently I was very much like this when I was the same age as him - mum had to praise me for the tinest little good thing I did and make a really big fuss, which i'm doing with him. Doesnt make a bloody difference.

I've become that Mum that yells at her kids, time out / naughty corner / all that crap does NOT work with him - TV off, toys taken doesnt work. He just runs away and hides. I've even locked him outside in the rain before because he'd hit his sister and run away from me.

In the 20 minutes it took me to type this post (yes, 20 minutes, he'd opened the fridge, smashed a carton of eggs on the floor and pretended to be a 'fish' in the mess. He's now sitting in the middle of the lounge naked screaming his head off.

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Oh dear! No idea, but it's a bit scary, I thought they're got better by 3 1/2!!

Is he bored?

With Cooper when he starts doing something naughty I try and verbalise for him what emotion he might be feeling, that might help?
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oh hun i am so sorry you are going thur this have you checked he is well can hear ect ect as this can effect his behavoiur big hugs hun maybe he needs 5 days in day care same as for you
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I am really sorry that you are having issues. I don't have any great advice, just wanted to say I am having the same problem too (although I only have the one). DD and my nephew (whom I looked after in the school holidays) rang rings around me and I felt like I couldn't even take them to the supermarket without it turning into a massive disaster.

What I'm doing at the moment with DD is really cracking down on absolutely everything. Ignoring her made no difference, if anything it made things worse as she did more and more to get my attention. I tried praising every single good thing and set up a star chart system with very mixed results. So now all back chat, throwing things, yelling at me, naughty behaviour, or just not doing as she is told gets "thinking time". Basically I don't yell I just send her straight to her room. She's allowed to come out whenever she wants but only if she behaves nicely. It takes a lot of effort to be consistent but it is slowly working. I explained to her that if she couldnt behave she would spend a lot of time sitting in her room, and then started sending her there. I have noticed that she backchats a lot and will argue the point till she is blue in the face and now I don't get drawn in. I make a decision - for example tonight it was eat your dinner or leave it alone (no playing with food) - then follow through every single time. So tonight she got a warning (eat your dinner or don't but stop playing with it or you will go into thinking time). She started to argue so I repeated myself and she started yelling its not fair (and other stuff) so I went right go to thinking time in your room. Usually she either falls asleep or comes out and says sorry.

The theory is that they get the idea they can't join in with normal family life until they can do as they are told or behave. I don't get as stressed coz I have a consequence already thought out and I don't get drawn in to arguements with her. She will happily go to her room (she plays with her toys) but knows that to come back out she has to do as I say.

Its not something that works when you are under time pressure, I have yet to solve that problem (we have a lot of issues with breakfast, teeth brushing and getting ready in the morning for daycare). But it does seem to work really well for other stuff at home plus it keeps my stress levels down and leaves me calmer to be able to deal with the problem.

I hope you find something that works for you. Its really hard when they behave badly - I felt like my bloodpressure went through the roof when I had both my DD and my 5 year old nephew behaving like that.
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Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

Oh dear! No idea, but it's a bit scary, I thought they're got better by 3 1/2!!

Is he bored?

With Cooper when he starts doing something naughty I try and verbalise for him what emotion he might be feeling, that might help?


Yes he is very bored. Very very bored.
He hates the park and the pool, so I cant even drag him off there to play on the days that he's home. I really wish I could afford more daycare for him so he's occupied - just cant compete with the things they do at preschool at home!!!!!
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How about Playcentre?

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Not sure if you'll find this helpful or not as i know not everyone is into reading parenting type books but i was given the Nigel Lata Politically incorrect Parenting book recently & reading it made me think about my overall approach to certain behaviors & helped get back a bit of control with the kids.   There are lots of this type of book with advice out there & sometimes just having a read though one with a philosophy that you agree with helps bring it all together so you can plan a consistent approach.

Also if he is bored maybe you could join a toy library so can change toys regularly to keep him interested.
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My DD was like this off and on. She would be a complete angel or complete menace. Some things that may help are making sure he is getting enough sleep, limiting foods with artificial flavours and colourings in them, and adding in a routine to his day. I haven't been a stay at home Mum so I can't sympathize with you having to find something for him to do all the time... that must be hard work!! But it would be a good idea to find some activities that he likes and use them to keep him entertained and also to reward him.

Yelling, time out etc doesn't work for me either. I remember shopping and DD grabbing everything off the shelves. Saying 'don't do that' to her wouldn't work, so I would change it and ask her to tell all of those naughty groceries to stay on the shelf. Stuff like that seemed to help. And also quizzing her on what was acceptable behavior. "How do we behave at the supermarket (or insert relevant scenario)?" is something I still ask and sometimes back up with "do we.... (something that is good and something that is bad)" and the kids yell yes or no - and love it!

Also after the offending behavior - like say with the eggs, instead of getting cross (just never worked in my disciplining)I would suggest asking him (calmly) if that was good behavior, wait for the right answer, and then get him to help you clean it up before letting him do anything else.

Anyway I dont know if any of that will help - but good luck - and there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Try and find some really good things you love about your son and focus on those - remember its just the behavior you don't like, not him, and he needs to know that too.
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