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    Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:41pm
we were blessed with a baby who loved his sleep.. self settled from a very young age... and went down without any fuss for two great day sleeps and through the night for 10-11 hours...
(hes now 9.5 mnths old)

....that was until we had TWO major family trips.. one to the UK in april for 3 weeks and then a week in begining of May to Australia (3hr time difference)

while away we had to resort to helping him settle and started patting him to sleep. It was more of a need to do as he was in our room (portacot) and staying with family and friends he couldnt be left to cry and wake the household etc..

Now we are back home and we are having a really hard time getting life all back to normal.

I believe he is no longer jet lagged.. and has come to rely on us to pat him to sleep.

Its exausting. I have started part time work and hes going to be in childcare 2 days a week starting soon. I have worked hard to leave him, he SCREAMS and stands in his cot, i go into his rm every 10mins and lay him down, reasurre him... he becomes less stressed and lays down (waiting for a pat i suspect) and as soon as i leave the room he screams again.

I am trying to be strong but as all mothers out there know its really hard and emotionally challenging to leave your baby to cry it out.

DH works nights so i am left to deal with it all 90% of the time. and im struggling

Its now almost 10pm hes been in bed since 7.30pm and i wonder at what point do i just 'give in' and pat him. I know hes exausted and probly feeling very confused and upset.

Has anyone out there suscessfully been able to push through the changes and offer any advice ??

my heart is breaking no matter how much i convince myself its for the best in the long run. im a tired mama .

thanks in advance
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it doesn't sound easy.

If your heart is breaking why do you say 'its for the best'? You need sleep and he needs sleep so is it really such a bad thing to pat him to sleep? Once he's asleep does he stay asleep?

I say do what works for you. Sounds like what you're doing at the moment isn't working for you. Is it what you want, or what you think you should be doing?

I'm not one who has 'pushed through the changes' though sorry. I just do what's easy and works for us. For now, at 11 months old, that's feeding to sleep half the time. I may be creating a bad habit down the track, but at least for now everyone gets sleep
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Firstly HUGS!

Secondly I would suggest reading the No Cry Sleep Solution as there are some good ways in there to wean from things like rocking, patting etc.

Have you tried just patting for a short time and slowly getting down to not much patting at all? I had to do this with DD and it took awhile but I soon ended up just putting my hand there for awhile with no patting and before long nothing.

Also a light up music thing, like the FP seahorse was a lifesaver as DD liked looking at it and then if she cried when it finished I just went in and turned it back on, she is 17 months now and I recently took it away as she was turning it on herself all through the night and she has not asked for it once, but it served its purpose.

The other thing to try is something that smells like you in the bed that might give him some comfort.

Maybe try not leaving him for longer than a few minutes the first time before you go back in and reassure him and then slowly extend it as I know with DD even now if she gets upset if I reassure her within a few minutes she does not get worked up and settles quicker.

I hope maybe something I have said helps even just a teeny bit, I hope you get through it all soon and you both start to get more sleep. HUGS again.

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I've been going through something similar - I ended up with DS in our bed and repeatedly feeding him to sleep right through the night. (It worked for a while but ended up with neither of us getting much sleep at all). That was also worsened by a month long trip to the UK where I also didn't want to disturb the whole household.

I am now 2 weeks into having him back in his own cot and am also experiencing the standing up issues and his needing me to be there. Plunket advised me to put him in his cot and then stay in the room but basically ignore him - no patting, no shushing. If he stands up or cries I continue to ignore him until I can see he needs me to help him lie down again, but once he is lying down I ignore him again. It does take a few attempts but believe me it is WAY less stressful on us both than my repeatedly lying him back down. He is generally OK as I am in the room and eventually does get off to sleep, and it is getting quicker each night.

I tried leaving him and going in every few minutes and increasing how long I left him for but he would get too worked up each time I left him. Staying and ignoring keeps him calmer and he is reassured by my presence while learning how to drop off himself - at which point I will do the whole gradual moving out of the room process.

I have been advised by so many people to just let him CIO but I feel that after helping him to sleep for so long (like you will have done with the patting) I personally don't want to pull the rug right from under him and just leave him to it.

Good luck, I know just how tired you are.

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*hugs*

Its very tiring isnt it :(
Can you try wrapping him? He might feel more secure being wrapped. Also, have you tried a Safe T Sleep? My daughter is 9 months next week and she was doing the same thing, standing up and crying until I lay her down, and then screaming when I left the room.

I do controlled crying with my girl, and that works most times, i leave her for a few mins then go back in and give her a cuddle and rock her a bit then lay her back down and shh her and tell her its ok, then I leave again.

Ive always been one to try and work through changes, but when DD had bad reflux when she was very little I did what worked also, it was much easier on the whole family, but I can totally understand why you dont want to have to stand there and pat him to sleep, if you can get him out of the habit now, then things will be so much easier in the long run.



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I agree with lovingmummyhood. If it causes more stress to leave him to CIO for the both of you, then don't do it.
And I'm sure this is going to sound harsh to some, but I personally don't think letting a baby CIO is best in the long run, in fact there is a reason why you are finding it so heartbreaking to do it - it's your instinct.
If your DS wants/needs you to help him get to sleep, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's how little people are biologically wired.. sometimes they want us more than other times.

If you can get your hands on the No Cry Sleep Solution book by Elizabeth Pantley, you may find some ideas that work for you.

I totally know how you're feeling. From 9mths, my DD went from 12hours straight to waking up to 8 times per night and screaming if I wasn't the one to go and settle her. It's bloody hard work but I promise you the phase will pass. In the end what worked for us was co-sleeping.. it meant we all got enough sleep to actually function, closer to 1yr, I night-weaned her (very loosely, will still feed her if I feel she needs it) and at 14mths she is now back in her room in her own bed sleeping really well and only waking a couple of times early morning. It was a challenging few months but it worked itself out in the end which is what everyone around me said would happen.

Big hugs, it's exhausting and very challenging at times!
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go easy on yourself hun, and do whatever it takes to firstly give yourself a break . If Milla is overtired, this is usually during the day, I make sure she is safe, give her a bottle and put her in her cot, then I go have a shower, she is usually asleep when I get out, or at least not screaming
I had the same thing at night though, well actually, we had just got our girl into a good pattern at bedtime and then a trip to hospital for a week buggered it all up - they feed them every three hours and pat them back to sleep.
I used that system where you leave them to cry, I know its not thought of so well, but it only took 5 or so days, and I had to get DH to do the day shift cause I was too heart broken to do it, but so very tired
Instead of 15 mins, I did 5, until she fell asleep, first night was forever, and then less and less til she went down awake
I said good night big cuddles and kisses, then clowny (music toy on) and turned the light off
Next time and every time after, I didnt speak to her, or make eye contact , just lay her down and patted her til she was calm, then walked out, it worked , but It isnt easy when your baby just wants to be with you

He could also be struggling a bit with separation anxiety at that age, so maybe ten mins is too long for him, to begin with anyway

Maybe you could get your DH to do a night in the weekend or whenever he isnt working, while you go do the supermarket shopping, its one night where you dont have to listen to it - its so stressful

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I agree with Mamma2N on the CIO thing, Ive never let my kids CIO, unless I am totally over it and need to get away for a few mins.
However I do controlled crying, I let her cry for a few mins to see if she will settle herself, if not then I go into her and I do what i can to help her settle.

I have tried co sleeping with my DD lately, but she wont have a bar of it, so I just have to pace the room with her until she is sleepy enough to lay back into bed.

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thank you everyone for your support.

I have this idea that i can get him back into self settling to make it easy for me.. I have re-evaluated my needs and looked at his..

for now he needs me and im really ok with that, its just hard having to pat him for up to half an hour morning noon and night ..

i know these things take time, i will start leaving him for up to 5 min and take it slowly....
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Sleepsense-Programme!

Recommendit!!

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The latest sleepstore newsletter has a gentle way to wean off feeding/rocking to sleep. So the patting part is close to getting your baby to self settle. It says "you will need to gradually reduce the amount of patting you do to help your baby get drowsy or fall asleep. As above, the Safe T Sleep can help with this too.
CONSISTENCY - Make sure you do the same for any night-waking! So if you are up to putting baby into bed drowsy but awake at bedtime, then do the same during the night....if you rock your baby completely asleep in the night, you are confusing your baby and the weaning process will take longer."

I've been trying to do this myself and we've managed to stop feeding to sleep and rocking to sleep, and at the moment we're up to holding and patting to sleep. Takes longer than CC or CIO but less stressful for both of us!
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Wonderful article...

Have a read, it might make you feel a bit better! . If what you're trying is breaking your heart, don't keep on doing it, try different ways - the no cry sleep solution really is a wonderful book, as Mamma2N said . Lots of ideas for ways to help your beautiful little guy to fall asleep happily. It does take longer than CIO, but I wouldn't have done it any other way.


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In a similar situation here also with my 15month old who woke every 3hrs, but now we are finally getting progress. We've gone from rocking and co-sleeping to having her back in her cot and using some patting. It's still early days for us but we are starting to see we can pat her less provided we are sitting beside the cot and actually she is starting to get to sleep by herself, just with us nearby - and perhaps we can gradually lessen that too over time if needed.
I agree with the others about being consistent and also making sure you do something you feel comfortable doing. I know how hard it is to be consistent when you are exhausted and it's the middle of the night.

Good luck!
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Ooops, I meant to add that about that age we had additional sleep troubles with seperation anxiety being particularly bad at 10months. Was just a phase but it did seem to mean extra reassurance at night for about a month (from memory)
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