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Obviously, I haven't been there yet, so can't offer my experience, however I just wanted to add that vaccinations work in a given population based on 'herd immunity', in that as long as a large proportion of the population is immunised (i.e. ideally as high as possible), then that particular disease/infection becomes almost obsolete, as there is no human reservoir to sustain it. Once the immunisation rates fall below a critical threshold, that's when infections and diseases start becoming a problem.

I fully understand personal decisions behind whether to immunise or not (for example, I have never have the flu jab), but just wanted to add a piece of imformation to the debate that hasn't already been mentioned.

As for Vit K, I'm thinking we will go ahead with it at this stage, but I haven't done all my research yet
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Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Oooh yeah, the 4/5 year ones are the worst coz they are so aware of what is going on


*cough* i bribed Caitlyn with McDs....

As for how i feel about vaccinations, um what .Mel said on the previous page, but swap the three children for one .....
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One thing that is worth noting, and this is neither a pro or anti immunisation statement, just a fact is that delaying immunisations can lessen their overall effectiveness.

I didn't really understand that when I delayed the girls MenzB imms till 3 mths, but the schedule is designed to work in with the natural immunity that babies are born with, and that is passed to them thru breastfeeding. This immunity starts to taper off after six weeks, hence why the imms schedule starts then. It also works in with the maximum risk period for certain diseases, at the media briefing they showed us graphs of occurences of diseases like whooping cough and meningococcal B and how they peak between 6-12 weeks then drop to a lower level until 12 mths when they drop significantly again. I would imagine copies of these charts are available from IMAC if they aren't already on their website (www.immune.org.nz). For those with a bit of medical knowledge or just an interest, the health professionals section has far more detailed info than the parents section.

Rubella immunity passed from the mother lasts longer which is why they now give the MMR vaccine at 15 mths. If you give it too early, the body thinks it is already immune due to the maternal antibodies so rejects the immunisation.

Like I said, this isn't one side or the other, just information I've gathered.
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I don't want to get in to a debate on here but someone mentioned that people that don't immunise their children do it because they believe they don't have to because everyone elses children are immunised.

Now whilst I believe that some ignorant people out there probably do have that stance it certainly isn't why we didn't get Spencer immunised nor is it the reason that a lot of other parents who have researched and chosen not to immunise. There are many many reasons why someone would choose not to immunise their child.
Mostly because we believe in letting nature do its thing and that allowing our child to be exposed to the disease and build a natural immunity is better than introducing an artificial strain. We also did not want to expose our child to all the other ingredients in the jabs especially as they go straight into the blood stream which is not how the human immunity system is designed to deal with things.
What also needs to be remembered is that just because a child has had the immunisation does not mean that they won't get the disease all it is designed to do is help them fight it off quicker and whether or not it does that is debatable.

Sarah this topic has come up a few times and as far as I am aware I am the only person on the board who hasn't immunised my child (unless there are others who haven't ventured into these threads).

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Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

Sarah this topic has come up a few times and as far as I am aware I am the only person on the board who hasn't immunised my child (unless there are others who haven't ventured into these threads).


i think you might be right there. the MENZB was the only one i chose not to give my kids.

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Hi, I'm new at contributing to these forums! But we also have decided not to vaccinate at this stage (we have a 10 week old) and we're the only ones we know who haven't. We initially had a lot of opposition from some family members who didn't understand our decision but after explaining our reasons, they ow respect our decision. An interesting book to read is "Just a little prick" by Hilary Butler. Definitely worth the read, it is a little heavy in places when it comes to all the medical/scientific content but very thorough. You can get hold of it by emailing butler@watchdog.net.nz or ringing 09-2368990.
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Broadly I'm of the view that we should leave our bodies to fight illnesses and diseases. It's stood me in good stead. However I grew up in a small rural community, while my daughter will go to a city pre-school.. so..

From my research so far, I'm happy giving all the vaccinations except for MeNZB and I'm still deciding about MMR.

I feel that the decision to "withdraw" MeNZB shows that the programme/vaccination was flawed. The explanation given that the epidemic has passed sounds like BS, when you consider that Polio hasn't been around for decades, but is still vaccinated against.

I don't have a problem with vaccinating against Measles or rubella, bit I do have a problem with the combined vaccine. A friend has Crohn's and his family (his mum and sister are nurses) believe it started when he was given MMR as a teenager. I will also research the risks for people with a family history of bowel cancer as that applies to us.

I got mumps and it was horrible but I survived. Must check my plunket book to see if I was immunised against it!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ElfsMum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2008 at 7:24am
i dont want to argue about this but my research has all shown that MMR doesn't cause any diseases...i wont go into it all here..but that is my opinion from the research i have done.
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I can't remember about Vit K but Ethan has not had any vaccinations and is a happy and heathly little boy

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Zaara had her Vit K jab at birth since I was in labour for 48 hours and ended up with a CS and therefore went ahead with Vit K. If the labour was fine then I would not have given it to her.

Zaara is fully vaccinised. I wouldnt have it any other way. She is happy and healthy and I would kick myself if she got sick from some thing that we have immunisations for.

I am not immunised against Rubella, as in Russia in late 70's it was not a concern and I was meant to have got immunsed after Zaara but totally forgot.
Hopefully I wont come into contact with any one who has it.

I also dont want to argue about this as it is a personal choice. But I am all for Immunisation.....in a BIG way. BUT respect other peoples choices and reasons.

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