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    Posted: 04 December 2009 at 2:26pm
What does everyone think about this? It is in the news today that a number of schools are now saying that students can drop the Miss/Mr/Mrs and call their teacher by their first name.

I couldn't imagine calling my teachers by their first names when I was in school, I don't think I even knew them! In my opinion I think it shows a lack of respect.
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I called some of my teachers by first name and even baby sat for one of them! But then my high school was staffed by hippies.


However at the private school I was at, we had to stand when our principal entered the room and call him Sir.
In both enviroments it wasn't the title that gave some teachers respect, but the teachers themselves.

DP's daughter's primary school has instituted a first name policy for teachers.
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I'm soon starting my job at one of the schools in which students call teachers by their first names. It is a senior high school so the students in question are 15+ - I figure if I encountered a 15 year old socially I would introduce myself by my first name and not expect to be called "Mrs..." so it makes a lot of sense to me.

From a teaching perspective, it helps to create the feeling that we are working together rather than the teachers telling students what to do - there has been a bit of a shift in recent years in that regard, it's proven that students learn best when they are able to take some responsibility for that learning, rather than the teacher having authority over everything iygwim.

Plus I'd much rather be called by my first name than the ubiquitous "Miss"!

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i can understand why altho i still call my old teachers Mr and Mrs etc...

why now?????- well daycare etc the kids all call the teachers by first names and yet they know they are the teachers and respect them....if the daycare kids continue that to school then I would be ok with that.

I am the one who makes her call everyone close to us aunt and uncle - it is how I was raised etc - but that never seemed right for daycare teachers. She does it for daycare parents tho (we all do it out of respect)....

if there was a lack of respect then back to Mr and Mrs X i say!!!!
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I like the idea, and know that in my friends daughters school that it has been used for awhile. I don't think you need to be called miss/mrs/mr to be respected, there are other adults in childrens lives that wouldn't be addressed by these titles but still respected.

I grew up also just calling my Aunts and Uncles my their first name, not Uncle "bob" IYKWIM? And my parents always introduced themselves to friends as Deb and Mark. I remember addressing may friends parents this way aswell, Its probably slightly different but me calling them by their first name definitely didn't make me respect them any less


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Originally posted by lemongirl lemongirl wrote:


In both enviroments it wasn't the title that gave some teachers respect, but the teachers themselves.



That's right I am a teacher (primary) and we don't have that policy at my school, although it wouldn't bother me if we did.

I have worked with a lady who used to teach at my old primary school and it felt REALLY strange to call her by her first name instead of Mrs *****

Edit to fix my bad English. Blame baby brain

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What happens when you forget your teacher's name? I used to forget at least one teacher every day at high school, though that was probably because there were so bloody many of them. Being able to say "Excuse me, um... Uh... Miss? Can you help me...?" was pretty handy
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I guess its up to what makes the teachers feel comfortable I still like the use of Mrs or Mr though.

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I don't see a problem with it, & I would welcome the change. We call teachers by their titles as a form of respect, but good teachers will get respect & good results. First names makes them more approachable & therefore maybe some of those kids that fall through the cracks wont.

My 2 littlies call there kindy teachers by there first names. I introduce myself to their kindy friends by my first name. I also introduce myself to my 8yrs old friends by my first name...mrs makes me feel old,

When I go to parent teachers meetings I call 1 of the teachers by Mrs...as that is how she introduces herself & it is so weird as she is younger than me. So next year I will have 2 at school & will be calling them by there first names.


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My kids' school seems to be a mix of both, but also several go by whaia (sp?) Jessie, whaia Tania, matua Tim etc. I have mixed feelings about it really, I see the positive aspects of the first name thing but it seems weird to me too.

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The school i teach at use first names - it doesnt change the respect thing at all - its just a name - if you had to rely solely on a title to get respect - well i dont think it will work.

Have taught at school where you are called by a title and you usually get called 'Miss'

Genie its 'Whaea' - which means aunty - so not really a title

Its a generation thing i think - in a few more years it will be the norm
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Actually whaea is a name given to people in a respected position, such as aunties etc, but teachers also. Just like matua (short version, not to be mistaken with the longer version meaning father (also the long version of whaea means mother too btw)) is a sign of respect.

I've come across it at one school that I've taught in. TBH I think its fine in a scenario where the children have respect for teachers/elders instilled into them anyway from their parents, but doesn't work in certain schools where the parents have no respect for the teachers, and that wears onto the kids. There needs to be a distincion between Joe Bloggs off the street and a teacher.

So my answer - I think you need to tread carefully. IMO as a teacher you're not there to be the kids friend, and while I agree with someone who wrote above about things changing recently and there being a push towards more collaborative learning, I still think there needs to be a distinction.

As for respect, some great teachers still can't get respect from some kids, so in some instances (I have heard of one perfect example of this before) enforcing the title on a teacher/student relationship can be what helps that respect being earned.

Also, does that mean we will now refer to our doctors all by first names, our police officers etc? Or am I just too old school to think that is an appropriate way to behave to a person of authority/high community status?
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i don't like it. and i don't know why. maybe it is the "i'm not their friend" kinda thing. just don't like it. my kids from last year who were year 13 still call me Mrs. W. NOT Elizabeth.
And am not keen on my kids calling their teacher by their first name either.

in saying that, i can see some schools where this would work really well.

In my school the kids refer to other adults by their first name but with Mr or Mrs attached, so Mrs Margot. They are generally very disrespectful. Not sure if that is why, porbably a coincidence, but I don't like it. i don't like seeing kids assume to call adults by a first name.

gee, i am old fashioned.
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i'm with lizzle on this one. in saying that tho the kindy teachers are refered to as Ms firstname... or just teacher.

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Doesnt bother me, its just a name...

I dont get the whole respect thing, you have a name for a reason..

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My 13 year old niece refers to most adults as Auntie First Name or Uncle First Name, its what my SIL prefers she calls adults, as she's not an adult and sometimes needs reminding that she is still a child.

Its not about respect, its about recognising authority.

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I am a secondary teacher at a all boys school and there is no way I would want my students calling me by my first name! To me it makes it much harder to dsicipline students and gain respect when they are calling me by my first name.

I teach year 13 students and am now 10 years older than them but when I first started I was only 5 years old - to me it would have really blurred the teacher student bounderies especially as I often ran into them out an about.

Having a title gives an imediate distinction.

I am in 2 minds about primary thou.
       
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