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  | snugglebug   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:42pm | 
 
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   Newmama, yeah Im thinking about trying it again, as he's on a constipation formula but he's not so constipated anymore and it's very expensive. 
 Should he be on a thickened formula?
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  | newmama   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 16 March 2011 at 8:04pm | 
 
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   nope Blakes isnt - in saying that though dare i say it on here i put a teaspoon of farex in his bottle last thing at night it keeps his milk down cause he is fairly spilly less vomitt means more food in his tummy and = longer sleep as no sore tummy - that was recomended to me from paed - heaps of people preach about its a choking hazard but to be honest he has never choked and a teaspoon is nothing - REFLUX SUX ha
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  | werty   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 March 2011 at 5:01pm | 
 
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   Lactose intolerance symptoms were:  Rumbling/gurgling tummy as soon as milk hit it, colic like crying, Millions of watery, frothy poos per day, severe nappy rash.  True lactose intolerance is very, very rare in babies, we had to do a poo sample to check it out.  I've heard that some reflux and colic babies do better on lactose free formula without actually being lactose intolerant.
 Lately, I've been giving Lachie his bottle, and letting him drink what he wants,  then making up the rest of the milk with farex and spoon feeding him with a wee bit of pear or pumpkin. I do this once or twice a day after his fussiest bottles, which seems to be in the morning mostly He loves it!      | 
 
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  | snugglebug   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 March 2011 at 9:03pm | 
 
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   Yeah I was reading that on the back of the S26 lactose free formula can that it might help babies with colic. So I may give it a try if the neocate is no go. 
 Basically aside from reflux he seems to have a lot of tummy pain, can hear the liquid gurgling/sloshing around in his tummy a lot, gets constipated, constantly gassy from one end or the other.. if not lactose intolerance, any other ideas? Or is this all reflux related?
 
 He seems a bit better after some solids and the new meds, he's finishing most bottles again but still screaming for a while but eventually taking them, which is an improvement.
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  | werty   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 20 March 2011 at 1:31pm | 
 
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   Sounds very like a dairy intolerance to me. Intolerances are generally tummy/ digestion related as opposed to a full on allergy which is an immune response. But, I'm no expert. Our paed thought Lachie has mild dairy intolerance too but said as he's so 'well' in all other ways- it may not be a necessity to change to neocate as he should grow out of it in the next couple months. But, we've got a trial tin of neocate so I may see what happens in the next couple weeks. I don't really want to change it as apparently the neocate tastes pretty gross- it sure smells foul!! 
A friend of mine gave me the numbers of a natropath in beachlands that she used with her dd. So successful that she was able to wean off losec and just use the natural stuff. I also have the name of an excellent osteopath in clevedon. Let me know if you want their names/ numbers.
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 21 March 2011 at 9:34am | 
 
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   Liv has those same symptoms but is not dairy/lactose intolerant.  It is all just part of their underdeveloped digestive system, it does get better though.  We have to use a thickened formula as everything else just comes straight back up, we still get spilling with this but it's not anywhere near as much.  And now that she is on solids things are going remarkably better!!  Hang in there love, it will improve *hugs*
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  | snugglebug   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 21 March 2011 at 10:41am | 
 
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   I have tried him on thickened formula since last Wednesday and he seems to actually be spilling more which is weird, big power chucks. 
 He's been on the new medicine for nearly a week no improvement. Sigh.
 
 We have a follow up with the paed tomorrow hopefully he can give us something else to do.
 
 Erinmc, my boy looks really well too he's thriving in every other way, does things before you'd expect, has great skin, really smiley happy baby so it's hard to get doctors to believe what he's like at other times.
 
 Thanks for the support LA, it really is hard so Im glad Olivia is improving
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  | werty   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 21 March 2011 at 1:28pm | 
 
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   LittleN, Remember that reflux peaks at 4months, and generally starts improving at six months.  So, just think of yourself as being on the downward slide now!!!
It's a bloody long, hard road though, especially when there's no 'cure' - just managing it(Barely somedays!!)
 
 I too have noticed a big improvement on solids, he doesn't spill nearly as much and is a lot happier and dare I say it...Sleeping for longer stretches during the day. (Furiously touching all wood around me...)
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  | snugglebug   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 22 March 2011 at 12:58pm | 
 
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   YAY
 Im excited. 
 Had follow up at the paed today and he gave us a trial tin of Neocate, and baby has had 210 mls of it after not having more than 30mls of formula this morning at breakfast. 
 He only spilled once and not very much and no screams, yay. I know it's early days but Im optimistic and at least he drank it. 
 He has also upped his losec and other meds and was talking more invasive tests if it doesn't help    | 
 
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  | werty   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:16pm | 
 
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   Littlen- did you sweeten the neocate to get him to drink it? 
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  | snugglebug   Senior Member
 
   
   
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   I didn't need to he took it right away so I was very lucky!
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   Wicked, they seem to know when something is right for them.
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  | snugglebug   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 22 March 2011 at 3:49pm | 
 
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   How long till I should see an effect? 
 He seems better and is drinking it but still spilling a reasonable amount this afternoon
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   How are you going LittleN? Any improvement with the Neocate now?
 I went to the health shop yesterday and got some probiotic powder, so we'll see how that goes.  The lady said that with a dodgy digestive system like Lachlan's it should really help him a lot. Fingers crossed!
 
 Does anyone else notice that if they accidently miss one dose of Losec, it has a real negative effect pretty quickly?  I forgot to give Lachlan his avo dose on Wednesday and yesterday was the worst day we've had in a loooong time.  I'm amazed that it would have such a dramatic effect after only missing one dose.  Have now made it Hubby's job to remember the avo/evening dose when he comes home from work.
 
 
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 March 2011 at 11:40am | 
 
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   We seem to be going well thanks erinmc, he takes the neocate well and his spilling is much less, he still screams sometimes when I try to feed him but I think it's more out of habit than anything else as once I get him to take the bottle he's fine, like he realises it doesnt hurt. 
 Got a big shock when he pooed black and green yesterday LOL but apparently that happens on neocate.
 
 He's sleeping really well too I don't know if it's coincidence or what but it's good either way.
 
 Just trying to chase up to get some more tins of neocate which is proving difficult that stuff is like gold.
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   Also when we miss losec we definitely notice very quickly! So I think yes one dose missed can definitely affect it 
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