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    Posted: 20 July 2006 at 11:53am
I have a 8 week old baby and have been demand feeding since he was born. I really want to get him into some kind of routine and have read countless books, they all say the same , eat then play then sleep, every 3-4 hours, the problem is he eats (15 mins max and is full) then plays 30-1hr then has a sleep but only 2- 2 1/2 hrs tops have passed. Then he wakes and has a feed and goes back to sleep. So we are stuck in a 2 hr routine!!!
How can I start to make him go longer between feeds and stick to the eat, play, sleep, if he wakes up before the 3 hours have passed.Hope this makes sense HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have an 11 week old, and during the day we are pretty much on a 2 1/2 hourly routine of feed/change/play/sleep. I personally belive that babies should be allowed to develop their own routine (within reason), and if your little one needs to be fed 2 1/2 hourly then so be it. One tip I have read in one of my books is to try and extend his awake time by 10 mins every couple of days so he is not going to notice too much when he is up for longer, so perhaps that may work for you?? Don't stress if your baby isn't doing what the books say!! He is a unique little being, and he'll do what is best for him
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Oh books! Ignore "them" and do what feels right as Clare said. My little ones never did that four hour thing, however, they did when they were about four months, the routine gradually came about. it does take a few days to get the routine establisheed. I decided to feed taine only every four hours, and this was a battle initially. He was a grazer. he'd feed until he wasn't hungry, sleep and be awake half an hour later hungry again. By not letting him feed, he'd cry and cry, but then when hewas eating, he'd eat a lot more and be more satisfied for ;longer. I tended at first to fill him up on "snacks", rather than let him have "meals" After this, he slept a lot better too.
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I am sooo confused. I want to keep in a eat, play, sleep routine but it seems impossible if he wakes up after 30 mins, do i make him wait a bit for a feed going straight to play (thus losing the eat, play, sleep bit?) as I'm sure hes not really that hungry (as only 1 1/2 - 2 hrs have passed) or feed him to keep in the eat, play ,sleep order (thus feeding 2 hourly when he doesn't need it).If i try and keep him awake he has a meltdown. It doesnt help that i'm a bit softy and I struggle putting him in his cot as he cries hard out everytime, the "oh my god i can't breathe i am so upset cry" and i do pick him up as soon as he wakes up and the hard crying starts which is probably the problem?? I'm sure i should just chill out and burn all these books, what a useless mum boo hoo!!
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james was the same with eating but he was a 3-4 hour between feeds try leveing hing a extra 10 mins after he has woken for a feed and solwly extned the time till u get the 3-4 hour time you want thats what my midwife got me to do and after around two weeks he got into a 3 hour feed time
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I think the problem is coming from demand feeding I don't have a routine with him with any sort of set feeding times or nap times. Would this make life easier?, say have set feeding times of 7 then down for nap at 8.30, then feed at 10 etc and if he wakes during the naps leave him until its feed time? My midwife was sooo pro demand feeding and no routines, bed sharing etc thats its hard to know what to do now when i can't handle that way anymore, but now if I try anything he just cries and cries and cries, is that normal everytime you put them in their cot, even though they are fed, dry and tired??!!!!
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well this will go against what everyone else has said but it works for us with both babies. My first born was in neonatal and they got him into a 4 hourly feeding routine from two hourly, they increased the time between feeding by half an hour each time so if baby is asleep you still wake them and if they wake early just try and hold them out (remembering its only half an hour for a start. Each time baby should only be up and awake for about an hour, back to bed even if awake (or you can get them to sleep, your choice) but for example our feeding times are 2, 6 & 10 so even if baby is asleep we wake her then. We were a bit nervous about setting this routine ourselves without the help from hospital but have fallen in to the pattern already and addy is only 3 weeks old. I must say though it does help that Im bottle feeding so I know that she is getting enough.
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Its the cot battle thats the worse, 4-5 times a day i have to battle him to get him to sleep in his cot, cry wait a few mins pick him up, cry etc until hes exhausted, I've never seen a baby fight sleep so much in my life!. Thanks for the suggestions though I'll try lenghting the time between feeds and keeping him up a little more each time. Wish me luck!
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maybe he's overtired? Also babies know a sucker. I'm going through that at the moment too. My six month old has been sick, vaccinated and teetheing, so we've been snuggling him to sleep, letting him in our bed, generally feeling sorry for him. Now he's decided he';ll go to bed when HE feels like it! I had to listen to him scream for an hour tonight. I so wanted to go in and "rescue" him but knew it would start all over again.. Don't feee like a bad mum emmaohara cause most of us have been ina a similar situation, if not the same age as your little one, another age!
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We went through the same when Alex had his jabs (he's 7mts now).   He use to be quite settled but took him a long time to adjust after the jabs. Routine during the day was fine but a battle to get him to sleep at night.   He was also very unsettled during the night and we would quite often bring him into our bed. He's back to normal now..whew because it was getting really hard (both working).

When Alex was younger we had sort of set feed times - 7.00am, 10.30am, 1.30pm, 4.00pm and 7.00pm (something like that, I've forgotten already!!! He would be awake for an hour then sleep for 45mns so sometimes in between feeds he would just play as opposed to feed.
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Sounds like the babe might be overtired. It's so annoying that you have such a short window to get them to sleep in!!!

I don't know if I'd be too concerned about the feed/play/sleep thing... Maybe it's just me, but if they wake up before they are meant to, they can just play until the next part. For me the most important bit was keeping the feeds 3 hours apart. (Though not strictly, it seems a bit nuts making your babe scream for 3 minutes and 30 seconds just to reach the 3 hours IYKWIM.)

The other important thing is having a bedtime routine... whatever that involves... for me it was giving her a bath, getting her snuggled up and then giving her a last big feed before putting her to bed. I was a sucker for the crying too and just used to let her fall asleep on me. (I figured if I was happy to deal with the consequences then so be it!) I started putting her to sleep awake much later on and that wasn't a proble... just took 3 days of hell. She's pretty good sleeper now. (Apart from the baby rebellions she joins every now and again!)

Anyway... good luck!
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Yea think i'll chill out on the whole eat,play, sleep thing, and if he wakes before 3 hrs are up just see to him but not actively play until 3 hrs have passed and hes had his feed. I tried that this morning and he fell back to sleep ( in my arms but a slight success!)
I wish it was summer and i could put him in his cot for all naps during the day but its just too cold and expensive to warm his room all day and night so half the time he ends up napping in his chair in the lounge or on me!, again forming bad habits. Oh well one step at a time i'll get the feeding 3hrly then tackle the sleeping!
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We gave up on the 3hrly routine after a few weeks, as we kept getting out of whack. He would be awake for the hour or so and then could take another hour to settle to sleep properly and then we would have to wake him up to feed which he wasn't happy about and wouldn't feed properly so we would put him down, within the hour and he would be awake and hungry an hour later, so I gave up and went to demand feeding which is working heaps better, he tends to have longer sleeps and then feed twice really close together. He is in a bit of a routine himself. He feeds twice between 6am and 10am and then again round 1-2pm and 3-4 and 6-7, if he doesnt wake up by 9.30 - 10pm I will wake up up for his last feed. We are all a lot happier.

I think that every baby is different and you should try out the theories and find which one suits you and your baby the best. Although, Im only a first time Mum with only one months experience :)
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