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    Posted: 08 February 2009 at 1:28pm
It's no secret that I hate breastfeeding but do it anyway because I feel I'm 'meant' to, but gee bottle feeding must be easier!

On advice from the midwifes, I have demand fed Hollie since the word go but its starting to get a bit silly.

She runs on a really short cycle, maybe 40mins awake then a feed then 40mins asleep. Also, because it is what I was told to do, I give her whatever she needs to settle, including comfort feeds.

It means we can't take her anywhere without being concerned she's going to get upset and wanting a feed to settle. I can't go to church or do the groceries, I don't want to muck up her cycle.

She sleeps through the night from about 10 -4, and then till 6-7ish.

Is this normal or is there something I can do to lengthen her cycle? Do I just hold off feeding her until its a reasonable time? AN babies seem to be feed every three hourly instead of every twoish, and some are sleeping better then Hollie.

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Hi Flake
I'm a first time mum, but I've been using the EASY routine from the Baby Whisperer, which is Eat, Activity, Sleep, You.
I feed DS when he wakes up (takes about 15/20 mins,sometimes longer), then activity, which is nappy change, mat time/cuddles etc, then sleep. The Y is for You, so you get some time to yourself. On average Rhys is up for about 1 to 2 hours at a time and sleeps anywhere from 1-3 hours during the day and at night, sleeps 4-6 hours for the first stint, then 3-4 hours.
However, things can change if there's a growth spurt etc.
I hope you get things sorted for Holly

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Daniel was a bit of a snack feeder like that. All I did was lengthen out the times between feeds over a few days. So day 1 I waited an extra 10 mins, and did that for all the feeds, day 2 I made him wait 20 mins and so on
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It does sound like she is snacking, so I would definately try to lengthen as suggested above. It is really annoying when they are sleeping short lengths of time during the day. But I would try really hard to stretch out your feeds to2 1/2- 3hrly. However this may not mean she will sleep any better, my boy feeds 3 hrly and is currently sleeping terribly.

And maybe if you are continuallly comforting her with a feed, start trying to give her a dummy instead, because its the sucking that she wants not food. For us dummies took a while for him to get used to but he loves his now.

And I don't really enjoy breastfeeding, and have often thought about ditching it so I completely know how you feel, but I can imagine having to make up a bottle takes a bit of effort, especially in the middle of the night, so formula feeding really wouldn't be any easier.
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Thats a good point. I'd just love to know how much she drank at any one time.

I'll try EASY over the next few days. Cheers :):)
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Hi Flake

I am a first time Mum also and I was in the same boat as you, beginning to hate BF because I felt like I was doing it all the time, to try and settle Heidi, but I then read "Babywise" and it suggests the 3 hourly thing also and the EASY approach which we started a couple of weeks ago and I also started writing everything down e.g. time she wakes up and time she goes to sleep, how long it takes her to self settle etc. Since then I have found BF so much easier as I know that I will only be feeding her every 3 hours (has been more often lately in the heat say every 2.5 hours) and I have been able to go out and do things. If I am unsure if she wants more I offer it and if she does not feed really well I know she is just snacking. Heidi also has reflux and can be colicky so feeding her too much just makes things worse as well.

I must say not only am I a much happier Mum but she is a much happier baby and they say the like to know what is going to happen next and this way she does. For the past couple of nights she has slept from 8 - 6 she does cry out at about 4ish and I put the dummy in first to see if she settles (which she has) and if not I will feed her. We have been giving a FF just before bed, which seems to help and also means if I had to go out at night    it would be easy for DH to do that last feed.

At the end of the day you have to do what is right for you, because the happier you are the happier your baby will be, and if you want to FF then you should do it and not worry about what anyone else thinks, no body else has a Hollie Mia do they? so they cannot comment! You are meant to do what is right for YOU! and this will be the right thing for Hollie.


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I have commented to many many people that babies and boobs need to come with a fuel gage.

I agree try and spread the feeds out a bit if you can she does well at night so will probably cope, just little increases each day.

As a bottle feeder I can say its not as easy as I thought/hoped it would be. My ds is still if i let him a snack feeder and mucks about with bottles and it can be really annoying.

Try not to compare with other babies in your group, I spend a lot of time with 1 mum from my ante natal group our babies are 10 days apart but are like chalk and cheese in how they are, what they eat and sleep like, they are just all so different.

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Personally, I think that demand feeding is really just for the first couple of weeks. After that they are able to go longer between feeds. I found that demand feeding Dominic lead to very bad habits, he became a snacker, like Hollie, and that affected my milk supply very badly.
That might actually be something to consider...that your milk supply might have dropped off a bit and she is not getting enough to sleep through, and then too tired to feed properly...nasty cycle and completely exhausting for you.
Everyone at the moment says that you should demand feed but it depends on what is best for you and baby. If you really hate breastfeeding but you still want Hollie to have the benefits of breastmilk you could consider expressing or supplement feeding with formula. It won't make you a 'bad' mum to give a couple of formula bottles a day or a top up bottle after a breastfeed. The idea is to encourage her to take a bit more at each feed so that she can sleep better and go longer between feeds, and at the same time start to extend the time between feeds.
Maybe a trip to your local family centre could help as well.
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The other thing is that maybe cos she's feeding lots in the day it means she needs less at night? I do EASY and it works well for me. I don't worry how long it is between feeds - sometimes it's 2 hours if he's growthspurting, other days it's 4 hours. If your baby has such a short awake time, it can mean that they just feed more (we have a July baby like that), and there's not a lot you can do.

Can you feed when you're out (e.g. at church)? IKWYM about everything being tied to their cycle - it can get really frustrating and stifling.
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I have a question - if I get DH to give a bottle of expressed milk or formula in evening so I can get some sleep, should I be expressing to keep up my supply? I am worried that if I feed expressed milk or formula then my supply will decrease?
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Usually if it's just a one off, I don't bother. How old is your baby? If it's still in the first month or two, then I probably would still express as your milk supply is probably still sorting itself out.
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If you have a strong supply you may want to express off that feed for your own comfort. Plus it is always good to have some breastmilk in the freezer for when they start solids (great for mixing in with foods when you first introduce them) or for some reason you can't feed.
Also, if you give a bottle of expressed breastmilk or formula at the same time everyday without expressing then your body will adapt to that new routine and you may find (not immediately but after a while) that at that time of the day you do not make much milk. You could always express the usual feed off and just give it in a bottle, that way your milk supply won't be adversely affected.
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I agree I only demand fed for the first month or so (but was lucky as DD woke up after about 3 hours anyway!) and never demand fed unless she was hungry, obviously I wouldn't let her cry if she really did want something to eat, lol!

Seen as you hate BF so much, you're doing an amazing job! Just do what you feel is right hun and dont worry what anyone else says.

Plunket conradicts themselves anyway! They say to demand feed but then when I took DD for a check up at 9 months they said sahe should be down to 3 feeds a day, and I was like you're kidding I;ve just got her down to 5! So it's all bullsh!t if you ask me, lol!

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Cool, thanks for all the suggestions/comments
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i went through this exact dilemma - Natalie would only be awake for an hour, then sleep for only 30mins, so we had such short cycles! unfortunately her sleeping is still short, but now that she's up for about 2.5 - 3 hours at a time, we're finally getting to 3-4 hourly feeding (plus solids changes it all anyway!)

So i guess that might not be helpful advice, especially if you're not enjoying BFing, but to be honest, trying to stick to a 3-hourly routine when the EASY pattern was more like 2 hours just totally stressed me out. I just stopped trying to follow what we *should* have been doing, and everything was much easier. The bonus was that frequent feeding during the day meant she slept longer at night.

By 3-4 months, Natalie was awake for 2 hours at a time, but some other babies the same age can go a bit longer.....you won't be feeding Hollie so often for too much longer!

I also second the idea of getting comfortable feeding while out (even in a parents room etc), as it really does free up your time.

Unfortunately some babies just don't fit in with a longer routine, and you have to find solutions for your baby and you. Good luck!
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