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Originally posted by ButterflyMum ButterflyMum wrote:

Jade totally agree with you 100% and took peace comment as you did. From one who has lived wit ha Mother with personality disorder and also suffered with form's of mental illness mtself you can recover from it. And it is not nessarilly a life long illness.
Why am I not surprised?
But just like you, my own mother suffers from mental illness and it means life long medication for her, she is fully normal in every way now but she will never ever EVER be able to come off her medication. She will never be able to be medication free and mentally well at the same time. As far as I understand it (and I am rather well read) Bi Polar is much the same as someone pointed out it is a chemical imbalance in the brain, you don't just one day wake up better so you can go off your meds. I don't even think classing "feeling a bit sad" depression or PND as in even close to the same bracket. You can recover from them and live a drug free life but to line it up with Bi Polar is just obtuse.
Originally posted by JadeC JadeC wrote:

I suppose the reason I'm pushing this point so hard is that recently research around self-stigma from mental illness has shown that a general belief that mental illness is not something you recover from has a huge negative impact on her people who experience mental illness view themselves and their future.
I've heard this before like 24 years ago when my mother was first diagnosed so IMO it is definitely nothing new. "Just believe you will get better and you will!!". To me it can be used as somewhat as an excuse by Medical Professionals to keep Mental Health wards less bulky and not hand out medications to those in need.
Even reading about your researched point actually makes my head hurt LOL. I think it is fine if you want to take that belief on as someone who suffers and use it as a point to make yourself want to be better but definitely not as an excuse from someone else IYKWIM?
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Originally posted by Peace Peace wrote:

I've heard this before like 24 years ago when my mother was first diagnosed so IMO it is definitely nothing new. "Just believe you will get better and you will!!". To me it can be used as somewhat as an excuse by Medical Professionals to keep Mental Health wards less bulky and not hand out medications to those in need.
Even reading about your researched point actually makes my head hurt LOL. I think it is fine if you want to take that belief on as someone who suffers and use it as a point to make yourself want to be better but definitely not as an excuse from someone else IYKWIM?


I should have clarifies that, it's not new information, but the research itself is new (only released in June). And it's not about thinking yourself better, it's about people who experience mental illness not judging themselves negatively because of the illness and limiting their own potential.

I don't even get your last point tho, who is making excuses??

And I suppose if your belief is that recovery means that the person never takes any medication, well then we will have to agree to disagree. In my line of work, recovery is determined by the person themselves, and talks about quality of life lived, not meds or no meds. People can live really sh*tty lives on and off meds, it's nowhere near the deciding factor for me.
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I'm not going to get involved in the arguement but I do agree with Peace here. I have studied Mental Illness, and have a BIL who will never ever be who he was before bipolar hit him. While you can recover from some MI (PND for example) most of them will be apart of you life forever.
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Originally posted by JadeC JadeC wrote:



And I suppose if your belief is that recovery means that the person never takes any medication, well then we will have to agree to disagree. In my line of work, recovery is determined by the person themselves, and talks about quality of life lived, not meds or no meds. People can live really sh*tty lives on and off meds, it's nowhere near the deciding factor for me.

Exactly its not about being well enough to be off med's or not one can recover from a mental illness and still require some med's.
And just another thing yes I had PND with my second son, but I have also had mental health issues aside from that. And now have an anxiety disorder that will prob require Med's for the rest of my life, but I do consider myself recovered as I have learnt to deal with me as me.

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