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    Posted: 11 March 2008 at 12:46pm
sorry, i know ive already posted about this before,but im getting really upset about it and well, this is the only place I can vent (my friends either don't have kids, or don't have kids at school)

My usual morning , go and wake up Caitlyn, who proceeds to get tearful and plead to stay home.
Today was the worst, she cried and screamed and begged to stay home, when i had a shower she got out of her uniform and into her play clothes, she got hysterical, tried hiding when it was time to get in the car, when we got there she tried holding on to the car, then kept trying to run back, she asked if they had writing then got upset when the teacher said yes, I practiced writing what she wanted to write today with her, and she seemed a little bit happier, but as soon as the bell rang she burst into tears and begged to go home with me, and i had to pull her off me, and as i left she gave me such a heartbroken look .
Argh!!!!! its so mentally exhausting and distressing , for me as much as her , and its only march,please someone tell me i don't have to deal with this for the rest of the year.
I talk to the teacher but (and i know my mother is going to come on here and argue with me about it) she doesnt seem very empathetic, she just tells Caitlyn shes a "big girl " , no, shes not, shes still only 5 and still very young.
I think Caitlyn is feeling unconfident about writing, she missed a bit of school last year, cos of going to Australia and getting chickenpox and i think shes a bit behind the other kids, she also says school takes "too long"
I don't even look forward to weekends now, cos thats just bringing me closer to monday and the start of another week.
I really don't know what to do, i have starcharts, talked to her teacher, even resorted to bribery.
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Sounds tough. Is there anything she does like about school? Maybe talking more about the things she can look forward to might distract from the things she doesn't like. For some kids playtime/lunch is the best part of the day...
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How much school did she miss last year? If she perceives herself to be behind her classmates (even if thats not the case) it will shake her confidence. Its a horrible cycle... they can't quite do it, so they don't try, so they get further behind, so they can't quite do the next task etc etc. No suggestions beyond what you are already doing, but lots of sympathy!


As far as finding the school day too long, did you know that legally she doesn't have to be in full-time schooling until 6yo... just thinking out loud here (so to speak) but what about shortening her school day for a limited period of time? Maybe knowing that she will get to go home say an hour early the first week, (then add in a day a week until she's attending full time again) will help her get used to the day. I know when Kiya started school she found it incredibly draining. She did short days for her first 3, then went to full time. 2 weeks later it was the end of term, and for the first couple of days of the holiday all she seemed to do was sleep!
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Obviously McKayla is not even near going to school but we have looked after Grants cousin's kids for quite a while (long story) and it was the boys 3rd year in school and the girls first year in school and they missed two weeks before they were even entered into school (long family nonsense) and then after another two weeks came to stay with us so had to move schools again. The boy moved a few schools in previous 2 years so was behind in quite a few things.

I found both of them absolutely hated like really hated going to school The girl really broke my heart as she would scream and dig her fingernails in me.

Now what helped (started getting better after a month) was to have a chat on Sundays about it being school again the next day ect. Make stuff fun. Give a nice treat for the next day and then again on Wed and then Friday. They have something to look forward too. Dont give sweets at all over weekends and at home.

Other thing that worked is at night I will have a chat and asked them to tell me three things that happened today that was great at school Now obviously they will struggle with this sometimes, specially if they hate school But simple stuff like asking them did they chat to anyone new today? Did they do any artwork ect. And before you know it you would have lead them into answering the question and later they will look for other positive things.

Asking the teacher to have a five minute chat with you once a week just to touch base. Now sometimes teachers can be too busy. Ask her just to take a minute and write down on a Friday in a book about how it went with Caitlyn ect. If you can ask them to tell you what they will concentrate on the next week so you can prepare her for it a bit better. Then as well go back in previous weeks stuff and go through it with her. You will quickly see where she has some trouble and work with her on it. But not like school like. Play games around with it.

Example: The little girl say we call her W. She hated hated reading. They actually started really quickly as well. They get a few sentences and then clip the words out and must make their own sentences. Now she could "read" the sentence due to memorising but as soon as it was just the words she would hit her head on the table. I just played rock school. Okay that is now just a direct translation from AFrikaans to English. But what it is is she sits at the bottom of the stairs. She gets one word. If she can read it then she move up a class. If not then she drops a class. Start with stuff she actually knows and then what she doesnt put in here and there. They so quickly get it. Or playing jumping games and where she land with her feet read. You can do this with maths ect. Sometimes making up a song works.

Hope it helps you a tiny bit at least.


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Oh poor Caitlyn. It's heart breaking when your kids aren't happy at school for whatever reason.

I've had this sort of problem (well not with writing but the being scared to go to school) with Natasha as she has had so many issues ranging from teasing, having no one to play with, because she looked different (while she was on steroids)etc and etc. I cried many tears for her, not that she knew at the time she just thought I was the meanest Mummy sending her to school.
Anyway Natasha's teachers were always so helpful so maybe changing her class to a more sympathetic teacher may help.
Or maybe asking if she can have a buddy who will be there for her ie someone to sit with her, help her with her work and play with her, it can be a different child everyday but kids like to be made responsible for other kids. It makes them feel grown up. If she's in a Year 1-2 class there may be a year 2 child who is able to help out.
I also had a few special meetings with her teachers and the head teacher of her year. Just to bounce ideas off of each other about finding ways to make school more enjoyable for her. But the buddy system worked really well for Tash and in the end they didn't have to ask anybody to look after her as she managed to make some really lovely friends from this.
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I haven't read the other responses so sorry if i'm repeating what anyone else has said.

Since you've already spoken with the teacher, I would speak with the principal and ask that you have a meeting with both the principal and Caitlyn's teacher. I would outline what is going on at home and what you think the issues could be. I wouldn't attack the teacher but would approach it in a "how can we all work together to help Caitlyn enjoy school more". You might be able to do some extra work with her at home, they might be able to put her in the reading recovery programme (which will help her writing etc). If she is enjoying/not hating it so much, i'm sure her issues with the day being too long will sort themselves out. Good luck and hugs for both of you

ETA: And I would maintain a weekly catch up with the teacher until things were sorted. It's really important to keep in very regular touch with the school when there is an issue and just increasing the time between catch ups when things are running smoothly.

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Yes I have read and I am trying to give you constructive ideas Kelly,
I know you wont like me saying this but I know in some areas Caitlyn does like school,eg she does have friends, likes the teacher and maybe it is that she is worried about keeping up with the other kids but the way she will keep up is by you not showing that you are upset and reinforcing that school is a fun place and I know that you wont like me saying this but with her toileting stuff being behavioural I question in my heart whether some of this might be behavioural or attention seeking, because she does have friends at school and she has said she likes the teacher.
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Do you mean the teacher is not very empathetic or me , if you are saying the teacher is not very empathetic that is why I suggested going on the school PTA because once Amy's mum did it the teacher concerned was much more empathetic towards Amy because she knew her Mum was on the school PTA
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Hugs Kslly. It must be really hard.
I know that I don't know that whole situation but I have had this sort of thing happen in the classroom the odd time and it DOES always come right in time. (even if it feels like forever right now) It is interesting that it was worse today. Like Susie said it could be that Caitlyn is wanting some attention (it is a big adjustment being back at school and she could be feeling a bit uneasy) Could you try the other approach for a couple of weeks and just be positive but firm with her. eg "I know you can do it Caitlyn. We have practiced it at home and you have it written on paper etc" then try not to get into it anymore than that. Tell her she is going to have a great day at school and like some of the others have said talk about the postives but don't get into the negatives and reinforcing them.
Good luck. I am sure it will come right soon.
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I'm a bit too lazy to read the other responses.

My only bit to add though is if she and you thinks shes behind in some areas maybe do some work with her at home but make it really fun. Learning to read and write etc can be really fun and made to be undaunting if you use your imagination.
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I just picked Caitlyn up from school for her Mum Kelly and the teacher was having a little chat with Caitlyn and after she had finished Caitlyn actually gave the teacher a big hug .
Like others have said you should talk to the teacher get there early each morning so you can check with the teacher how she is doing.
It will sort itself out.
I know some of the young ones do think we oldies dont know anything but I am only trying to be constructive with my ideas
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Big hugs Kelly! We've had similar dramas over not wanting to go to preschool, but I think that was that she was well ready to move up to school rather than anything else, and now she is at school she hates weekends coz there's no school! (Long may it continue!)

I think Leish has some constructive ideas, involving the principal is a good plan and (don't hate me Kelly!) your Mum is right to some degree too. *ducks*

I think the most important thing is not to let Caitlyn know that it's getting to you, coz she will feed off that and it could make things worse. Hard I know!

I really hope that Caitlyn is able to start enjoying school soon coz she's got a long time left to spend there and it would be awful if she spent the whole time hating it

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I haven't read the replies but I'm wondering how long ago she turned 5 as she doesn't have to be enrolled in school until 6yo so maybe a break could do her good... I saw some of what daikini wrote about half days and that sounds even better.
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thanks for your replys everyone , some very helpful advice :-)

I also talked to her friend's mum tonight, and her friend had the same teacher last year and her mum had similar problems with her daughter and going to school at the start of last year, and she gave me heaps of good advice , so im not naive and expecting miracles tomorrow,but C and I have had a chat about the things she does like at school (friends, playing, art etc) and she told me what she wants to write tomorrow to go with her picture and we have practised writing it, so im feeling more in control, which is good.

I'll let you know tomorrow how i get on , wish me luck!!

shaz, that must have been really hard, my best mate got arthritis when she was 6 and was always missing school and fell really far behind and then her confidence dropped etc and she hated school and had a miserable time right up until she left highschool, so as hard as it would have been for you (especially knowing she was being teased) you did the best thing for her in the long run, heart goes out to you tho, am glad C hasnt had to deal with any playground dramas (yet.....)
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Just offering big cyber hugs for you and C. Pretty much everything has been said so best of luck with it hun!!


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Wow - I don't have advice (and yeah, OK, I don't want to get in the middle of it!) but I did want to say that that sounds really draining on you, Kelly, and however it is that this works out (I'm sure it'll get better), big hugs to you, because it can't be easy on a mum. 

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How did it go getting Caitlyn off to school this morning Kelly?
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better....not great, still begged to stay home,but no tears and definetly not as bad as yesterday , i just stayed calm and positive about it and we focussed on what she was looking forward to that day .
Will just take some hard work, but thats what parentings all about, and if it gets too much-well , i'll just come on here to vent :-P

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by the way , thanks for your hugs and support everyone.

Caitlyn's main worry is writing, and word recognition, but i found these 4 boards in my sister's room that have all the sight words (I, can, look, see,my, and , to , go etc etc) on them and they have a card that goes on top, so tonight C and i went thru each board one by one, i would point to a word and if she knew it, cool, we would put a card on it and if she didnt , no big deal,we'll come back to it.
I wrote all the ones she knew in a book on one side and the ones she didnt on the other, she was really pleased and proud to see she KNEW 19 and only didnt know 12, i made sure i told her how well she was doing and how proud I was, the words she is unsure of, we will work at each night til she can recognise them when i write them in a sentence (so we will just focus on one word a night) and each time she learns a new word-it goes on the other side of the book, and she gets a sticker.
shes feeling a lot better about writing, and im not feeling so helpless about it.

And she told me she got 2 more stickers on her starchart at school so shes very proud and happy about that
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Yay Caitlyn, sounds like things are looking up!
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