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Topic: Day sleep dilemma Posted: 14 January 2009 at 5:05pm |
I love her to pieces and she's great company but I wish she'd have nice day naps again!!
We're down to a 45min nap at lunchtime and a half hour or so nap at about 3.
She's not sleeping through the night - down about 7pm, feed/change 3ish, feed/change 6ish, up for the day half 7am.
I know she's not getting enough sleep but when I try putting her down for more naps during the day she just screams until I cave in and get her up.
Is there an easy way to encourage her to either a) nap more often or b) nap for longer???
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 5:12pm |
I'm sorry I don't have a solution for you - there seems to be a whole club of us in the same situation!! Maybe it is the heat?
Your DD is almost old enough for a controlled crying/cry it out self settling regime, if that is the kind of thing you would consider?
Or, perhaps putting black out blinds in her room?
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 5:15pm |
Do you get her up at 3am and 6am? Or does she wake herself and get histerical? When the girls were 5months we had cut out those feeds if they woke in the night we just put a dummy in and left the room. But if your breast feeding I guess its different?
I read the most fantatstic book (I know I got sick of book suggestions too but this really is a life saver) Its called "On becoming Baby Wise - giving your infant the gift of nighttime sleep by Gary Ezzo and Robert Bucknam." all 3 of my sisters used it as well and all 8 of our kids are fantatsic sleepers. Its a very easy to read basic book that teaches the importance of routine and how sleeping and feeding influence each other.
They do have it at the library if you get desperate lol!
Otherwise I hope things get better chic it sucks when you don't get any kind of break and it can be very sressfull worrying if they're ok
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 5:17pm |
Oh and FYI you don't have to read the whole book I only ever used chapter 6 (which is the most important chapter) and the chapter on multiples as I have twins otherwise you just take what applys to you so you could read it in under an hour.
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 5:24pm |
Thanks for the suggestions so far, I wonder if it is the heat as the nursery is upstairs so slightly warmer than the lounge etc.
I practice controlled crying but I don't have the heart to let it go on for more then 45min (I soothe at 10min intervals).
She wakes herself at roughly those times every night, sometimes sleeps through until half 5, Yep, we're still breast feeding, maybe its because my milk supply is less in the evenings that she wakes during night - I've considered this and have increased my liquid intake in the afternoon + complan for afternoon tea.
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 6:50pm |
There is a club of us around with 45 minute nappers. So far I have tried.
Totally blacking out the room
Having constant white noise
Topping up before a sleep.
The one thing that might work is going in after say 35 minutes and start ssshing, put a dummy in and stay there for a good 10 minutes, get past the 45 minute mark and then leave, thats worked for me twice so far.
Interested in that book though.
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 7:54pm |
I've tried keeping the room dark, makes no difference.
She leads the feeding and will not take a top up unless a) she's hungry or b) it's bedtime - then she guzzles back both sides.
I don't have a dummy for her, she hates them with a passion ever since they tried to get her to take one in NNICU.  She does suck her thumb to self comfort which is nice.
Will try just going in and keeping her company to see if she'll go back to sleep. Thanks
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 8:29pm |
Ella went through a stage of only sleeping for 45 mins when she was that age. the only thing that worked for us, was as soon as she started stirring after 45 mins I would turn on the white noise and it got to the point where 80% of the time she would go back to sleep for at least another hr. Eventually she did grow out of it and went back to sleeping 2-3 hrs staight without any help.
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Posted: 15 January 2009 at 9:28pm |
woo-hoo, managed to get her to have 3 naps today!!
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 8:59am |
Tom went through this stage too and all I did was go in as soon as I heard him stir and rock him or rub his back to get him to drop back off again. I only needed to do this a few times and he seemed to get the idea that more sleep was a nice plan. Also at that age we had the ipod in his room playing lullibies very quietly and that seemed to hlep too.
even now, if he wakes from a sleep too early I can often get him back down for another hour or so.
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 9:41am |
I put her down just about an hour after she first got up, she didn't look very tired but used to have a nap at this time of the morning. Have done the same thing again today and she's asleep again. I try to avoid stimulating her - we had quiet cuddles, then I give her breakfast, then time in her bouncer while I read her the paper, then when I saw the first yawn took her up to the nursery and wrapped her, played her a lullaby on her glow worm and left.
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 9:51am |
Lots of babies have the morning nap for ages - Sophie still does and she is over 11 months  . Amy started to drop that one at about 13 or 14 months. It is a great one to keep going as it gives Mums a chance to do stuff and prepare for the day. Sometimes I used to cook dinner then so it was done and out of the way  .
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 9:59am |
I very much recommend that book!!! We follow the Ezzo philosophy, called "Parent Directed Feeding" (PDF) and our DD slept through the night when she was 8 weeks old. Granted, we do have a very easygoing baby, but that is the general result with their method. They have had a lot of bad press but it seems to generally be from people who have misunderstood that it is actually very flexible.
Basically they suggest you do a feed, wake, sleep routine during the day, this helps to establish baby's metabolism, and ensure they get a full feed at each feed, not just snack feeds.
Good luck!
*edited to add* -ps. the whole 45 minute sleep thing is addressed by them as well, called the 45 min intruder, this is a blog by a woman who does PDF, and the section on 45min intruder, see what you think - http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/01/45-minute-intruder.html
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 10:15am |
I had a chat to a friend's mum about BabyWise. She's a MW and pretty up with it about all the books and programs, and she said it tends to work better with girls than with boys. Personally, I'm not a fan of it, but I do know people who swear by it.
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 1:01pm |
Can I join the 45minute club. Just started this week and i'm keen to get him past it quickly. I think I'll try going in just before he would wake and try patting his bottom or something. He was doing three sleeps everyday -morning , late morning and mid afternoon with either his morning or late morning being a 2 hours sleep and the other two be an hour but now they are all just 40mins.
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Posted: 17 January 2009 at 12:44am |
I've got a 45 min napper now too  . She used to have three sleeps, two shorter ones of around an hour and one longer one of around 2 hours but now she's having two catnaps of 45 mins and that's it. I don't mind too much coz she's happy enough when she's awake (Maya was exactly the same) but it is a little frustrating coz I can't get anything done, and coz it works out that she naps at a different time to the gremlins so I don't get a break from kids all day.
With the night thing tho, have you tried not changing her for night feeds? I don't change lil miss after she goes down at 7pm until she gets up in the morning regardless of how many times she wakes. Obviously if she was dirty I would but she never seems to poo at night lol. I just find that changing seems to wake bubs up a whole lot more whereas if you just give them a quick feed in the dark it's a whole lot less stimulating for them.
I've also found with her in the last week or so that if I leave her when she wakes during the night, she usually resettles herself. She doesn't cry, she wakes up and talks to herself and I always assumed she wanted feeding but in fact she's quite happy to go back to sleep on her own. Occasionally she does start to grizzle and wind up and I do have to go in and feed her but most of the time I don't need to.
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Posted: 17 January 2009 at 12:46am |
Oh and the Sleep Store have some good tips for resettling after 45 mins. With the gremlins I found putting them in a sleep sack and darkening the room more made a big difference and they slept for much longer, but they always needed more sleep. Maya and Chiara don't seem to, even now Maya is often awake in her bed reading in the dark till around 10pm even tho she goes to bed at 7.30pm.
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